Export Glitches: One Black Frame?

Wayne-McIlvaine wrote on 5/10/2025, 7:48 AM

I have been noticing these single black frames appearing during transitions between two clips over the past few months. They do not appear in the Timeline Preview - only appear in the final export.

I believe they manifest themselves because of some bug in the software: sometimes I am unable to drag the beginning of a clip to the end of the previous clip while editing. Nothing I do allows me to do anything but overlap the two clips for a "blend" / "fade" and whatever is blocking me from dragging the beginning to the end (i.e. forcing the overlap / blend), causes these single black frames in the exported video.

Look specifically at 12 seconds into the attached video, and 36 seconds in.

What do you think is causing this, and how can I fix it?

Thank you!!

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AAProds wrote on 5/10/2025, 8:07 AM

@Wayne-McIlvaine

It could be...

Zoom in to frame level and check the ending frame finishes exactly on a whole frame number. Sometimes files end at a point mid-frame eg at a half frame past the last full frame point.

Here's an example. The left video (CCTV camera) ends at midframe, and the right video cannot be dragged to a butt-join; it has to be an overlap.

The solution is to trim off the end of the left video so that it ends on a whole-frame point; in this case, put the Play marker on 00:00:12:00 and cut the delete the offending part frame, then join the two videos up as you normally would.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Wayne-McIlvaine wrote on 5/10/2025, 9:10 AM

@Wayne-McIlvaine

It could be...

Zoom in to frame level and check the ending frame finishes exactly on a whole frame number. Sometimes files end at a point mid-frame eg at a half frame past the last full frame point.

Here's an example. The left video (CCTV camera) ends at midframe, and the right video cannot be dragged to a butt-join; it has to be an overlap.

The solution is to trim off the end of the left video so that it ends on a whole-frame point; in this case, put the Play marker on 00:00:12:00 and cut the delete the offending part frame, then join the two videos up as you normally would.

This sounds extremely promising. I will try it and reply soon.

Thank you!!

OS: Windows 10, CPU: Core i9-10900KF, GPU: GeForce RTX 3080, HDDs: Crucial P5 1TB 3D NAND NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 & Transcend 2TB 220S PCIe Gen3 x4 NVMe M.2 SSDs, MOBO: Gigabyte Z490 AORUS PRO AX, RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 3200MHz DDR4, Monitors: LG 27GL850-B (rez 2560x1440) and Dell U2410 (rez 1200x1920)

AAProds wrote on 5/10/2025, 10:19 AM

For the eagle-eyed out there, these videos are coming in at "approximately" 14.92fps. 😉😂

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

Gid wrote on 5/10/2025, 11:00 AM

@Wayne-McIlvaine Although I agree a half frame will/could cause a black frame the curious part for me is that the black frame isn't on the crossfade, it's before, the video loops the final part before the transition.

Here it is slowed down

 

Maybe a variable frame rate issue because you've speeded the clips up..🤷‍♂️?

Last changed by Gid on 5/10/2025, 11:03 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

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