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johnebaker wrote on 22/06/2016, 14:05

Hi

. . . . Vegas has CUDA acceleration and Magix does not support it above kepler Nvidias . . . 

This is not a Magix issue - it is NVidia who have dropped the CUDA drivers necessary from their drivers in favour of their new encoding engine  NVENC - see here for more information and discussion.

HTH

John EB

 

 

 

robert.nawrowski wrote on 22/06/2016, 14:12

Hi, thx :) I understand but why it works with Vegas and not with Magix? I triend it and CUDA works with Vegas and Adobe but no with Magix. Wondering about new IRIS 580 PRO if it make quicker render... 

johnebaker wrote on 22/06/2016, 14:31

Hi

. . . . I triend it and CUDA works with Vegas and Adobe but no with Magix . . . . 

IIRC, and I could be wrong on this, Adobe produced their own solution to use the CUDA cores of NVidia graphics cards and it may be that Vegas is detecting this if they are on the same computer.  

. . . . Wondering about new IRIS 580 PRO if it make quicker render... . . . 

Without testing on this it is difficult to know, however there reaches a point in how fast rendering can procede because of limitations / bottlenecks elsewhere in the computer system, eg hard drive read/write speeds.  

HTH

John EB

robert.nawrowski wrote on 22/06/2016, 14:33

Thx John. Do u know something about implementing HWA from Vegas to Magix after buying it? :) 

yvon-robert wrote on 22/06/2016, 21:15

Hi,

Probably the Magix programmor staff have no time to develop this function and implant in the software. Adobe and Sony produce Pro level software and the price is quite diffewrent. I don't know is the Element version has a Cuda acceleration. Probably the step between regular version less $100 and Pro version $600 and up plus color correction are the only difference. For somebody making video montage day along is important and work with real Pro software like Premiere Pro and Avid but for me is different I can wait rendering and happy to pay a lower price.

Regards,

YR  

Scenestealer wrote on 23/06/2016, 02:21

Hi Robert

Interesting that you asked as I have recently been thinking the same thing that the amalgamation might spur Magix to rethink the Cuda option.

My guess though is maybe they will not, as they appear to be putting all their energies into getting the most out of the Intel iGPU HW acceleration capabilities. So far I am impressed with their results, with a HW encode barely distinguishable in quality from a software encode and much faster, depending on content up to faster than realtime. Still not much help if you have an AMD CPU or an older Intel without an iGPU to use Quicksync.

I was never able to get a good quality encode using Cuda HW Acceln. with an earlier Cuda card and Main Concept encoder. Low contrast detail was always blurred or had atifacts. This coupled with the fact that Mainconcept itself has not provided an SDK for its H264 encoder that will work beyond Nvidia cards with Fermi chips (circa 2010), is probably why Magix have lost interest. As JohnEB has mentioned Adobe and possibly Sony have developed their own "Engine" to utilise the CUDA hardware cores, probably without Mainconcept's help. 

NVenc uses a dedicated chip (not CUDA) on Kepler and later cards, that is designed for quick and dirty encodes ie. online gameplay, which by all accounts doesn't cut it quality wise either.

We will see!

Peter

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robert.nawrowski wrote on 23/06/2016, 09:09

Hi,

Probably the Magix programmor staff have no time to develop this function and implant in the software. Adobe and Sony produce Pro level software and the price is quite diffewrent. I don't know is the Element version has a Cuda acceleration. Probably the step between regular version less $100 and Pro version $600 and up plus color correction are the only difference. For somebody making video montage day along is important and work with real Pro software like Premiere Pro and Avid but for me is different I can wait rendering and happy to pay a lower price.

Regards,

YR  

yes, sure :) For me is the best that i have one crash per month, not like Adobe 4 per day :) But im am uploading every single day on YouTube.. and sometime it will be a lot simpler to render it quicker :) 

robert.nawrowski wrote on 23/06/2016, 09:13

Hi Robert

Interesting that you asked as I have recently been thinking the same thing that the amalgamation might spur Magix to rethink the Cuda option.

My guess though is maybe they will not, as they appear to be putting all their energies into getting the most out of the Intel iGPU HW acceleration capabilities. So far I am impressed with their results, with a HW encode barely distinguishable in quality from a software encode and much faster, depending on content up to faster than realtime. Still not much help if you have an AMD CPU or an older Intel without an iGPU to use Quicksync.

I was never able to get a good quality encode using Cuda HW Acceln. with an earlier Cuda card and Main Concept encoder. Low contrast detail was always blurred or had atifacts. This coupled with the fact that Mainconcept itself has not provided an SDK for its H264 encoder that will work beyond Nvidia cards with Fermi chips (circa 2010), is probably why Magix have lost interest. As JohnEB has mentioned Adobe and possibly Sony have developed their own "Engine" to utilise the CUDA hardware cores, probably without Mainconcept's help. 

NVenc uses a dedicated chip (not CUDA) on Kepler and later cards, that is designed for quick and dirty encodes ie. online gameplay, which by all accounts doesn't cut it quality wise either.

We will see!

Peter

Thx for this ;) I understand, but when i think about new 1080 Nvidia cards i am very sad that i can use it only for gaming, not for work. I know the time is quet good but my FHD 60 fps viedeo render not so much loing. 12 minut of video renders 16-17 minutes in bitrate 16 000 on H264. H 265 is not supported for YouTube so HEVC is not for me know :) Waiting for some good new after buying Vegas ;) 

set_chung wrote on 23/06/2016, 12:19

Greetings from Sony Vegas Pro user,

Currently many newer Video cards haven't support for rendering, although it might help on timeline preview.

For more detailed information on Vegas Pro regarding GPU usage: https://www.studio1productions.com/Articles/SonyVideoCards.htm