Movie Edit Pro Plus 2017 Renders SLOW! How to fix?

Mr.Gamer99 wrote on 2/19/2018, 11:42 PM

hi so i currently use movie edit pro plus 2017, however it renders super slow when im exporting a video takes about 3-4 hours.. i recently got a new pc. my old one was able to use hardware acceleration with no sweat making exports take about 10-20 minutes, but for this pc i see up top of the export screen it says "no hardware acceleration" i tried reading and following steps of other forum posts i saw but nothing seems to help out my situation.. im thinking i just need to get a totally different editing software, but i'd rather stick with this one since i've used magix for a long time. both pcs used windows 10, im not sure what to do anymore. im worried since i upload daily on youtube. i just need some help on getting faster export times..

below are pc specs of what i use currently

Hard Drive Type: SATA + Solid State Drive

Hard Drive Capacity: 1240 gigabytes

Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080

System Memory (RAM): 16 gigabytes

Processor Speed (Base): 4.2 gigahertz

Processor Model:Intel 7th Generation Core i7

Operating System:Windows 10

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Mr.Gamer99 wrote on 2/20/2018, 2:34 AM

so i decided to just wait the 3-4 hours and see if it takes forever to upload to youtube, however it took exactly 10-15 mins to upload to youtube.. so im just confused on why the magix movie editor is taking forever to export, any help is appreciated, thanks.

johnebaker wrote on 2/20/2018, 4:00 AM

See this comment - last paragraph, although this refers to a different NVidia card the principles are the same.

HTH

John EB

Mr.Gamer99 wrote on 2/20/2018, 3:21 PM

Hi, that comment didn’t really help me much. As I didn’t understand what he was saying, I tried messing with some settings but nothing worked so I’m still stuck with 5 hour exporting..

Mr.Gamer99 wrote on 2/20/2018, 6:44 PM

What i deal with so far, the video is about 18 minutes long. On older computer it only took about 10 minutes

Mr.Gamer99 wrote on 2/20/2018, 6:47 PM

Also I tried to comprehend the comment you showed me however I can’t seem to locate the advanced bios > System Agent Graphics part, been trying to search for it since this morning.

johnebaker wrote on 2/21/2018, 9:12 AM

In a nutshell, you can see in the image that Hardware acceleration (HWA) is not being used, either because

HWA is not turned on in the program settings (Y key) Import/Export tab
the Intel integrated GPU has been disabled by the NVidia card and there is no CUDA support in the NVidia drivers for the GTX 1080 (NVidia stopped supporting CUDA back in 2014).

The comment I linked to suggested checks enable the Intel GPU to be used for Hardware Acceleration.

@Scenestealer and/or @RogerGunkel did a good summary of how to do this - however I cannot find it (I should have noted the links as this topic crops up regularly).

HTH

John EB

Mr.Gamer99 wrote on 2/23/2018, 2:04 AM

Ah I see, well I guess I’m just out of luck, since I’m not sure how to do that. On my old computer hardware acceleration was automatically available, spent a few days trying to figure things out and googling, just got too frustrating.

RogerGunkel wrote on 2/23/2018, 5:56 AM

Hi Mr G.

One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned is what format you are exporting to unless I missed it. Also what is the remaining space on your hard drive?

Roger

johnebaker wrote on 2/23/2018, 9:28 AM

Hi Roger

. . . . format you are exporting to . . . .

Errr - its in the image Mr G posted - mp4.

John EB

Mr.Gamer99 wrote on 2/23/2018, 12:28 PM

I switched back to my older PC for the time being until I figure out how to resolve my other PC, I notice something different though, on my new pc it doesn’t have Intel (R) HD Graphics Control Panel, but my old does. However they both have access to Nvidia Control Panels, my new one focuses more on that Control Panel though, they’re both gaming PCs, and on the Magix program I see CPU activity on the bottom left, as opposed to my new PC where I didn’t see any.

johnebaker wrote on 2/23/2018, 1:06 PM

. . . . my new pc it doesn’t have Intel (R) HD Graphics Control Panel, . . . .

What is Intel i7 processor model number?

If it is one of the Extreme series, eg i7-7800X, then it has no integrated GPU.

HTH

John EB

Mr.Gamer99 wrote on 2/23/2018, 1:26 PM

Hello, It’s a 7th Gen i7-7700k Processor.

johnebaker wrote on 2/23/2018, 1:55 PM

Thanks for the info.

Open Device Manager - right click Computer and select Manage, Device Manager, Display Adapters as shown in the image below (this is my 4th gen processor).

If the HD630 has a yellow warning triangle next to it or is missing completely, then the drivers are missing or it is faulty.

If it has a disabled icon (black arrow pointing down) it takes us back to my previous comment that it has been disabled possibly by the NVidia card. Try enabling it (right click).

HTH

John EB

RogerGunkel wrote on 2/24/2018, 10:43 AM

Hi Roger

. . . . format you are exporting to . . . .

Errr - its in the image Mr G posted - mp4.

John EB

Aaah, I couldn't expand it when looking yesterday, but for some reason it works fine now, and I can see the answers to my question 😳

Roger

jerancampy22 wrote on 2/28/2018, 10:42 PM

Hi

In a nutshell, you can see in the image that Hardware acceleration (HWA) is not being used, either because

HWA is not turned on in the program settings (Y key) Import/Export tab

the Intel integrated GPU has been disabled by the NVidia card and there is no CUDA support in the NVidia drivers for the GTX 1080 (NVidia stopped supporting CUDA back in 2014).

The comment I linked to suggested checks enable the Intel GPU to be used for Hardware Acceleration.

@Scenestealer and/or @RogerGunkel did a good summary of how to do this - however I cannot find it (I should have noted the links as this topic crops up regularly).

HTH

John EB

Please stop spreading incorrect info. This whole forum is filled with you telling people with Nvidia cards that they stopped supporting CUDA in 2014. Do you know who made CUDA?

johnebaker wrote on 3/1/2018, 1:13 AM

@jerancampy22

. . . . Please stop spreading incorrect info. This whole forum is filled with you telling people with Nvidia cards that they stopped supporting CUDA in 2014. . . .

The statements are 'technically' incorrect, NVidia stopped supporting NVCUVID, which they encouraged developers to call CUDA, hence every ones uses the term CUDA when they actually mean NVCUVID which is the video encoding part of the graphics card drivers.

NVCUVID has been replaced by NVENC which is not supported by MEP and VPX, however it is supported by Vegas Pro.

John EB

jerancampy22 wrote on 3/1/2018, 5:56 PM

@jerancampy22

. . . . Please stop spreading incorrect info. This whole forum is filled with you telling people with Nvidia cards that they stopped supporting CUDA in 2014. . . .

The statements are 'technically' incorrect, NVidia stopped supporting NVCUVID, which they encouraged developers to call CUDA, hence every ones uses the term CUDA when they actually mean NVCUVID which is the video encoding part of the graphics card drivers.

NVCUVID has been replaced by NVENC which is not supported by MEP and VPX, however it is supported by Vegas Pro.

John EB

Okay so if that is the case then really the issue is that Magix is choosing to use a 4 year old encoding process and not adopting the new SDK which includes faster than real time encoding yet they still are saying their product is geared towards Nvidia GPU's?

johnebaker wrote on 3/2/2018, 4:53 AM

Just for the hell of it, I update my old PC's NVidia drivers to the current Windows 10 version ( issued 02/2018) and tested exporting video with hardware acceleration - result: the export dialog indicated CUDA was being used 😕, however the exports were not watchable, showing artefacts/ripping/striping.

Examining the driver update file contents showed that the NVCUVID dll was present and was installed, however it was not working correctly.

Reverted back to the old driver and everything was happy again.

. . . . then really the issue is that Magix is choosing to use a 4 year old encoding process . . . .

IMO the majority of the issue is with NVidia's lack of legacy support for older graphics cards by deprecating NVCUVID support.

Not everyone is a gamer who are often forced to change to the latest cards to run the latest games on. The frequency of non gamers changing a graphics card is, in my experience, low which would not be good for graphics card manufacturers business.

As I posted above NVENC is supported by Vegas Pro, so hopefully it will become available for MEP and VPX.

Pleased to see the driver roll-back sorted the issue you were having.

John EB

jerancampy22 wrote on 3/2/2018, 6:40 AM

I agree. I don't do any gaming and I mean, zero. Not even solitaire which is what I thought computers were for 15 years ago. I guess that is why I am trying to find out because my computer runs well for me. Magix runs well on it and I am getting pretty proficient at editing. But if I could see the day when I wasn't looking 3x real time or more to render, life would be great. But, I am not complaining. I used to have pinnacle and a timer by me so that I could save every 5 minutes. Much better now.

Michael-Munsey wrote on 7/30/2018, 11:46 AM

Hi

Just for the hell of it, I update my old PC's NVidia drivers to the current Windows 10 version ( issued 02/2018) and tested exporting video with hardware acceleration - result: the export dialog indicated CUDA was being used 😕, however the exports were not watchable, showing artefacts/ripping/striping.

Examining the driver update file contents showed that the NVCUVID dll was present and was installed, however it was not working correctly.

Reverted back to the old driver and everything was happy again.

. . . . then really the issue is that Magix is choosing to use a 4 year old encoding process . . . .

IMO the majority of the issue is with NVidia's lack of legacy support for older graphics cards by deprecating NVCUVID support.

Not everyone is a gamer who are often forced to change to the latest cards to run the latest games on. The frequency of non gamers changing a graphics card is, in my experience, low which would not be good for graphics card manufacturers business.

As I posted above NVENC is supported by Vegas Pro, so hopefully it will become available for MEP and VPX.

Pleased to see the driver roll-back sorted the issue you were having.

John EB

Michael-Munsey wrote on 7/30/2018, 11:49 AM

I have an Nvidia GTX 1050. I also get the 'no hardware acceleration' message when rendering. What version of the Nvidia software driver did you revert back to that sovled that issue? Are the older drivers available in the Nvidia wesite? Thanks.

johnebaker wrote on 7/30/2018, 1:38 PM

@Michael-Munsey

. . . . What version of the Nvidia software driver did you revert back to that sovled that issue? . . . .

IIRC they were from 2014, however, AFAIK, the older Kepler drivers will not work with the GTX 1050 or other recent Pascal based graphics cards.

If you have an Intel i5 or i7 gen 4 or later processor you can enable it to do the HWA in the NVidia control panel Manage 3D Settings.

If you have an AMD processor then there is no HWA available.

HTH

John EB

Fern-Marn wrote on 11/1/2019, 7:28 AM

I just bought this movie edit pro premium that says its for 2018 but I do not know what it is really from. I am reading back and fourth here on all the issues I have that others have and see no help. I just see confusing back and fourth answers. Here is my answer in a nutshell. I went to drag 4 video files onto my movie edit pro 2013 and it loaded instantly... I did it from a card and it took about ten minutes because it is an older card. I went to go do the same with the already loaded files on the new software and it took 2 hours. The playback on the new software is so chopy, and black and white setting did not work. This new software just looks like the older version upgraded with 4k complicated options and some new useless perks. The 2013 works much better, has all the features more easily accesible without commercials every time you load. None of these answers make sense and the tech guy is just having a field day while we all suffer and scratch our heads.I know it makes sense to you JB, but dang, why is it so user unfriendly and clearly a downgrade in many senses?

Fern-Marn wrote on 11/1/2019, 7:46 AM

On another comment I left this "I just bought this movie edit pro premium that says its for 2018 but I do not know what it is really from. I am reading back and fourth here on all the issues I have that others have and see no help. I just see confusing back and fourth answers. Here is my answer in a nutshell. I went to drag 4 video files onto my movie edit pro 2013 and it loaded instantly... I did it from a card and it took about ten minutes because it is an older card. I went to go do the same with the already loaded files on the new software and it took 2 hours. The playback on the new software is so chopy, and black and white setting did not work. This new software just looks like the older version upgraded with 4k complicated options and some new useless perks. The 2013 works much better, has all the features more easily accesible without commercials every time you load. None of these answers make sense and the tech guy is just having a field day while we all suffer and scratch our heads.I know it makes sense to you JB, but dang, why is it so user unfriendly and clearly a downgrade in many senses?"

Ok. Paste and copy is not simple anymore, it requires that extra stuff now and it takes seconds off and sometimes you may not get it properly and have to do it again and that could take more seconds to even minutes if program is shut off after.

No, when I move the section of the video as it is playing, it automatically loads, and causing a pause losing a few seconds at times and in total much time like minutes to longer once done, you cannot do it smoothly and it becomes a hit and miss with an automatic stall causing so much time loss and headaches. I mean real headaches as the screen and complication with added stress causes pain in the eyes, its not normal and you think about how this issue is new. It does not just smoothly play like the older software did. This is a flaw and it has nothing to do with my computer, and if it does? come on.. everyone is saying the same thing...

As for the 4k I am seeing it much more and a total market push to upgrade computers while of course the evolution of the whole process, but these problems still continue into reducing the video. The lighting symbol did not do anything. At the end I downgraded the video quality and the old software still runs quicker and with no stress. The new software adds so much time, and run around and glitches out. The saturation does not even go black and white, it did at first but than never did again! This is not just my computer. The software, I do not know why it is doing that. The window looks exactly the same besides commercials and some perks, but everything is so delayed, so distorted and made to take so long now. It has gotten worse. The features you honestly described and things I had to do I agree are an evolution I got to get use to, but the rest of what I am saying I have confirmed it with everyone else.

I also do not understand this whole thing about cards, and playback etc... All I see is problems and most not being able to understand it along with a software being made harder to use in many ways than just needing to upgrade our knowledge. It is simply to see just draging an already loaded file to my computer to the new softawre to see it saying "importing file" than when I cannot wait 2 hours... it says " do you really want to cancel that export"??????? wtf"??!!!!!!! come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf!@!!!!!!!!! okay now hear me out... I load it to the old software and no issue... just bam! ready to go! that is not my card or my playback... that is the new software made only understandable by you and all of us idiots because we have to return over and over and over until we just do not read the emails and give up.. no! ... I also stated I was very angry to see that this new software wanted to replace my old one when I put in the serial number and it detected my old software... I do not want to be stuck with this for now on when I bought both the software separately... You dismissed it as some sort of noise? I also keep trying to contact this "magical" magixs place and cannot reply very well to the emails as it says "you must do something in some ticket order" just so complicated and wasted money, time, sleep and who knows what to come... now it is saying it is going to replace my old software for this one? I need real help and for my software to either be fixed or to be sent with one that works.