Bug on making DVD with VPX update .211

gmlotkow wrote on 12/20/2017, 6:17 AM

Can’t seem to overcome a bug in VPX, rev. 211. I believe it existed in prior revisions, I just started using effects to match tonal quality between tracks.

The scene is indoors, large auditoriums with various ever changing lighting.  The end result is a DVD with titles, chapter markers, and I’ve done this 100’s of times.   I’m using 3 Panasonics, a HDC-TM900, HC-X900M, and a newly acquired HC-X1, all shooting 1080p/60fps.  All three tracks stacked on top of each other on the timeline, sync’d, then I fade in/out between each to get the desired shot.  I often have to change the white balance, use shot match, or other effects to keep the tonal quality between each camera looking consistent.  These cameras don’t see everything exactly the same, so tweaking a camera is necessary to make the end result look good.  Simple fades, both in and out for each track on the timeline, no wipes, blinds, swirls, just the basic fade. 

The issue is right after the fade,  I get a white frame, or artifact the flashes on the DVD.  I’ve tried changing the transition length from a half a second to little more, with no resolve.  This only occurs when I burn a DVD, not a Blu-Ray, or a MP4 file, just the DVD. I have no issues if I reset the tracks and remove all effects (this causes a mismatch in color balance, and looks poor).  What a PIA. I don’t want to create a separate .mts or MP4 just for the DVD, my turnaround time would suffer.

My PC, i7, 32G RAM, Win 10,   usually cooks a 70 minute show in about 40 minutes or so, I don’t think the PC is the issue.  No hardware acceleration is necessary.  Here is a simple example, it describes my workflow and the desired results, with no artifacts.

 

Anyone have the same problem, and have a resolution?

Self built computer with:

Intel i7 K8700 Coffee Lake processor

Corsair RMX Series RMX750 750 Watt 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit - 1pk DSP OEM DVD

Corsair Hydro H115i Pro RGB Water Cooling Kit

ASUS 24x Internal DVDRW SATA Writer

2X - Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 2 x 16GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 C16 Quad Channel Desktop Memory Kit

Seagate Barracuda Pro 4TB 7,200RPM SATA III 6Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

2x - Samsung 960 EVO 250GB V-NAND M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe Gen 3 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (on MB)

Samsung 860 EVO 500GB MLC V-NAND SATA III 6Gb/s 2.5" Internal Solid State Drive

with a Dell U3415W 34.08" UW-QHD 60Hz HDMI DP Curved LED Monitor

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johnebaker wrote on 12/20/2017, 7:57 AM

Hi

I cannot reproduce this with VPX 15.0.5.211

The last time I saw this happening was with Movie Edit Pro several years ago, the cause was isolated to where there was a change of video format on the timeline and using the MainConcept codec - I was mixing 2 different video formats - MP4 and AVCHD.

Using the Intel (default) codec, with HWA, there was no issue with the flash.

Try exporting the show to a MXV video and then import this into a new project to see if the flash is there if not then use this for burning to DVD.

HTH

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

gmlotkow wrote on 12/20/2017, 8:03 AM

Regarding the HWA, I can never get mine to stick, it always pops up its unnecessary. I'm using a Nvdia Quadro Pro K2200 Pro graphics card. I am often quite suprised on how fast my PC can render an 1:20:00 video with multiple tracks, I usually get them rendered to DVD format in about 40 minutes, with no HWA.

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Self built computer with:

Intel i7 K8700 Coffee Lake processor

Corsair RMX Series RMX750 750 Watt 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit - 1pk DSP OEM DVD

Corsair Hydro H115i Pro RGB Water Cooling Kit

ASUS 24x Internal DVDRW SATA Writer

2X - Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 2 x 16GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 C16 Quad Channel Desktop Memory Kit

Seagate Barracuda Pro 4TB 7,200RPM SATA III 6Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

2x - Samsung 960 EVO 250GB V-NAND M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe Gen 3 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (on MB)

Samsung 860 EVO 500GB MLC V-NAND SATA III 6Gb/s 2.5" Internal Solid State Drive

with a Dell U3415W 34.08" UW-QHD 60Hz HDMI DP Curved LED Monitor

johnebaker wrote on 12/20/2017, 8:35 AM

Hi

. . . . I can never get mine to stick . . . . a Nvdia Quadro Pro K2200 Pro graphics card . . .

HWA is not available and will not stick with modern NVidia cards, and older ones, if the drivers have been updated to the latest versions. NVidia removed CUDA support from the drivers about 2 years ago in favour of their newer NVENC.

. . . . it always pops up its unnecessary . . . .

The error message should say 'HWA has been disabled' with no reason why - I have never seen it say it is not necessary.

John EB

 

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

gmlotkow wrote on 12/20/2017, 8:48 AM

You are correct about the disabled, I'm just away from my PC (at my regular job), so I may not be 100% on my descriptions. I do know that the artifact flicker is driving me nuts trying to work around it. I even tried a different fade technique, one using the new cross fades, that doesn't help anything, the flicker is still there.

Resolving this should not be in the editing tools, it should take place when I record the event, I trying my best to understand the white balance and iris settings on the camera to make them match. Problem there is discrepancy between the camera viewfinder, and what the camera records. I'm trying to make them match in these editing tools, not easy.

Self built computer with:

Intel i7 K8700 Coffee Lake processor

Corsair RMX Series RMX750 750 Watt 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit - 1pk DSP OEM DVD

Corsair Hydro H115i Pro RGB Water Cooling Kit

ASUS 24x Internal DVDRW SATA Writer

2X - Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB 2 x 16GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300 C16 Quad Channel Desktop Memory Kit

Seagate Barracuda Pro 4TB 7,200RPM SATA III 6Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

2x - Samsung 960 EVO 250GB V-NAND M.2 2280 PCIe NVMe Gen 3 x4 Internal Solid State Drive (on MB)

Samsung 860 EVO 500GB MLC V-NAND SATA III 6Gb/s 2.5" Internal Solid State Drive

with a Dell U3415W 34.08" UW-QHD 60Hz HDMI DP Curved LED Monitor

johnebaker wrote on 12/20/2017, 11:25 AM

Hi

. . . . it should take place when I record the event . . . .

I agree entirely with this.

. . . . . I trying my best to understand the white balance and iris settings on the camera to make them match . . . .

Do you have an 18% Grey and a White calibration card?

With this you can set the exposure and white balance of both cameras. Your cameras should have a manual one push setting for both, once set under the same lighting conditions just before recording the colour balance and exposure should be very close, there are limitations though depending on what you are videoing.

They are not expensive and can be obtained from any good camera store or online, there are also several good tutorials/guides on using them.

HTH

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.