Electrical sound being added to mpegs and after burning..

mj129 wrote on 1/15/2014, 9:20 PM

Hi

Thansk for all your time..I

 have used Movie Edit Pro+ version since version 12 and I now use version Movie Edit Pro 17+ .

Last Oct I started to have a problem. 


I use a JVC video camera, it saves the files a s a .tod file. I then use another program that transfers that to a Mepg file..Then I use Movie edit pro 17+ to them make a movie, then when I burn it, every few seconds there is this sort of spike sound, an electrical sound almost like when you don't have the radio on the station properly, that static, but its more like this quick pulsing static sound.


I have put a video I did so you can hear it. It starts right from the very first few seconds..It never hapeend before and I have done nothing new that would cause it..Its nto on th eorigina file an dw3hen I play it in Movie edit pro its not there, only aftert rendering or making it into a mpeg for the net.  any sugegstioins??

I have done hundreds of dvds for bands and this never happened before, ever..

One of the clips where you can hear the sound..its just a cliping sound, hope you can help its been a nightmare I am 45 bands behind..

regards Aussie..

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terrypin wrote on 1/16/2014, 9:16 AM

Hi,

 

The main sound is at such a high relative volume (red-line distorted?) that I can only just about hear the clicking I think you've described. Certainly not well enough to establish its repetition rate, which was my first intention.

Do you get the clicking when you record an almost silent video with identical settings and workflow?

I'm assuming you haven't changed any other item (h/w or s/w) before this issue surfaced and that you're 100% sure that the recording itself doesn't include it.

One thing you might check is for a mismatch between MEP's settings in File > Settings > Movie > Audio sample rate and your audio source file.

Maybe one of the several audio experts here can step in (I'm not one) but you might need to make a small, non-confidential project exhibiting the problem and use File > Backup > Copy project and media into a folder, zip it up and upload it so that we can see what you mean and maybe try to reproduce it.

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

 

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johnebaker wrote on 1/16/2014, 2:25 PM

Hi

I agee with Terry about the level of the 'static' which sounds like a regular spikey click of very short duration.

. . . . I then use another program that transfers that to a Mepg file . . . .

TOD files ar for HD - are you downgrading to mpg2 or recording in lower definition? 

What is the 'other program' ?

Are you certain the noise is not present in the converted video?

I would add to Terry's request for samples - can you upload a piece of an original TOD clip,  30 - 40 secs should be enough and a copy of the same clip run through the converter.  This will give us the same starting point as you and also the opportunity to run the original through other converters.

You can also carry out another test - record a 30 - 40 sec video in a relatively quite environment and run this through the converter, check the converted video with media layer and then import it into MEP, play it again and then export it and play this, hopefully you will have a clearer result of where the noise is being introduced.

John

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johnebaker wrote on 1/16/2014, 2:33 PM

Hi

I have just found that TOD files are actually MPEG-2 files so it is possible to change the TOD file extension to mpg and they will play.

Try this - if this works then there is no need to run them through a converter and you can import them directly into MEP and if you have a lot of these files on your computer you can use a program such as Advanced Renamer or Bulk Renamer to batch change the file extension .

John

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gandjcarr wrote on 1/17/2014, 9:53 AM

Hi,

Your Youtube video also has it, so it is not occuring just during the buring process but during the export process as well.  Your audio also has many areas of clipping which will affect audio quality, but not those clicking sounds.  By the way, I can see no recognizable patter to this noise. 

Am I correct in assuming that you do not hear this during playback in the MEP time line during playback?  Or do you hear it there as well?  If this is the only time this has happened before or since using the same process, I would suggest that this inteference is either environmental, or equipment (yours or band equipment) related.  I can isolate the noise on the youtube copy with spectral analysis and remove it, so that would be a last resort because it is very time consuming.

I would really like to get a copy of the original file for further analysis before I can be sure of the source, especially if this is one isolated incident.  If it is not, then you really need to look in a different direction and I would be happy to help there as well. 

If you could send me a copy of the original via we transfer or drop box or some other transer service, I would be happy to look at the source material and let you know.

I will send you a private message on this forum with my email address.

George

gandjcarr wrote on 1/17/2014, 10:17 AM

Hi,

I think I may have answered part of one of my questions below.  I just listened to your Sidney Blues and Roots Festival videos and that sound is in all of them.  Not as pronounced in some as in others and the Hawkesbury Hotel video is probably slightly worse.  So at least I know that this is not isolated to one project.  I still would like to see an original camera file (copy), before I offer more information.

George

PS.  This can be fixed, it just depends on how important it is to you and what you are willing to spend to get the job done.  Once I see a copy of a camera master, I can give you specific reccomendations on how to resolve this problem. I doubt very much that this has anything to do with file conversion, or movie edit pro.

mj129 wrote on 1/19/2014, 11:12 PM

HI

Sory for the late reply I haev a fractured finger and wrist..

When I transfer the origina file from the JVC Video Camera onto the comp I then use Power Director PLus to make the .tod file into a readable mpeg, the reason I dont transfer the .tod straight into MEP17+ is that they are 18 min files, and If I want to cut it into songs, when I cut the file into its smaller  file and want to play it on the net.the quality is awful..

SO I have did it this way since version 12 and never had this problem. its not on the original .tod file, its not on the Mpeg I make, its now only in MEP17+ as well as version 16 I also use now and then, it also transfers onto the DVD. 

THe reason the other file from the blues festival also does it, was that was when it first started to happen and people wanted other videos on from the hawleskbury which I knew also had it on it.., so rather than other files its always been there since oct on every gig I have filmed and I have filmed and cant give a DVD to the bands anymore, I have did the same thing for three years  and have done over 1900 bands in 3 years without a glitch..

Someone mentioned maybe its the DVD player going, and its sending these spikes through the file..
I have to fix it as I have 45 bands waiting for there dvds and online I am about 75 songs behind..

There is no sound when I play the original .tod file or the MPEG I transferred from Power director, neither is it there when I play it back in Windows media player,only or playing back in MEP..only after after burning and after making a mepg in MEP17+to put on the net....I can't send a copy of the origina files as they''re 18 min long-almost 4 gig..Could it be a power surge problem/?

Thanks for all your time, I really appreciate it, as I have stopped filming because of it. This time last year I  had already filmed 23 bands in Jan, this year none..

terrypin wrote on 1/20/2014, 12:48 AM

Hi,

 

I can only repeat the advice I gave in the last paragraph of my original reply.

 

Terry, East Grinstead, UK 

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