Expanding range indicator while in full screen view?

terrypin wrote on 5/7/2017, 1:05 PM

I'm placing KFs within a 10 second image, on which I've set the range. That's shown at bottom right.

Is there a way I've missed to get that expanded over the entire screen width? Otherwise precise positioning using the orange marker (my preferred method) is almost impossible, without temporarily moving the section to a new, exclusive movie tab.

Also, what keystrokes (if any) will advance playing one frame while in this full screen mode?

 

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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emmrecs wrote on 5/7/2017, 1:50 PM

Hi Terry.

I can't answer your first question, sorry, but to advance by single frame you should be able to use the right (forward) and left (reverse) arrow keys, I think, whether in full screen or "normal" view. (I've just checked this in VPX and it certainly works there.)

Jeff

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browj2 wrote on 5/7/2017, 2:01 PM

Hi Terry,

Turn on the jog wheel and you should also see the scrubber. Both are useful. Jog wheel will go at 1 frame at a time as the wheel is dragged.

To zoom in on the range, drag the end of the horizontal scroll bar inwards just like everywhere else.

The left and right arrow keys will move 1 frame at a time. Check the counter at the top left to confirm.

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terrypin wrote on 5/8/2017, 2:56 AM

Hi Jeff, Hi John,

The jog wheel and scrubber help a great deal, thanks John, and I must practice. Still having a problem getting the range expanded so that I can move the marker to precise positions but will try again later. (I'm on self-imposed deadline to finish this project.) And ideally I'd simply like to be able to advance my KF object (a walker on a track) one frame forward or backward with the intuitive method of using arrow keys.

That doesn't work when in Size/Position. It moves the whole monitor view. (When would you ever need that? And it then needs carefully resetting.)

Just to summarise again what I'm trying to do in case I wasn't clear.

I have a map with a twisty track. (Not a music track, not a sound track, not an MEP timeline track ... a hiking track 🙂 ) Say 10 seconds long. In a lower track I place an icon and want to add maybe 20 KFs to animate it along the track. Precision requires switching to full screen. I'd like to do all the KFs in that mode, rather than using Esc and Alt+Enter to repeatedly switch back and forth. I move the icon along the timeline and positon it on the track, automatically placing each new KF. Ideally, as well as the jogger and scrubber (with which unfortunately I'm not yet skilled) I'd like to be able to move the orange marker to precise timeline positions. Arrow key use would be great too, but that seems impossible while in Size/Position. I tried a few combinations with Alt, Ctrl, Shift - but no joy.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

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johnebaker wrote on 5/8/2017, 3:24 AM

Hi Terry

Sounds like you are working with a single monitor - is this correct?

Have you tried creating a macro to select / deselect the icon you are animating so the arrow keys will move the timeline cursor?

John EB

 

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browj2 wrote on 5/8/2017, 8:22 AM

Hi Terry,

In my image, you will see that the horizontal scroll bar is quite thin and hard to see and a bit hard to grab the end to drag it inwards (either end). But that is what you need to do.

I tried movement on an icon overlay in MEP2016P and had no problem keeping the icon object selected. Just make sure that you don't accidently select the background. Also, I had no problem using the left/right arrow keys to move the icon by a pixel, so long as the icon is selected.

Also, remember that Alt+Shift+I (unless you changed it) overlays the effects screen on the preview monitor when the latter is in full screen mode.

EDIT: Just re-read your last message. I see your problem. You really need to zoom in on the range using the horizontal scroll bar. Then in full screen mode with the icon selected, you can easily move the orange playback marker and fine-tune using the jog wheel. It moves 1 image at a time and you can see this in the little box that opens when using the jog wheel. The arrows stay linked to the image, so you simply use the arrows to move (fine-tune) the position of the icon, and the jog wheel to fine-tune the playback position.

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terrypin wrote on 5/8/2017, 10:55 AM

Hi John,

Finally got the hang of it. Amongst other things one persistent difficulty I had was that dragging the orange marker from its leftmost position initially proved impossible without also dragging the range edge. Eventually found the non-intuitive solution, and then I was cooking on gas:

Thanks for sticking with me on this!

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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browj2 wrote on 5/8/2017, 11:02 AM

Hi Terry,

Glad you got it working.

Sorry I can't help out with the Surround sound audio. I don't have a Surround sound system and have never worked with it. I'm deaf in one ear, so stereo is enough of a challenge for me. I suggest that you read through the topic in the manual. You will need to switch the Mixer to Surround and use the Surround editor. I presume it helps if you have a Surround Sound system connected to your computer.

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terrypin wrote on 5/8/2017, 11:18 AM

Hi John,

I don't even fully know what a 'surround sound' system is exactly! I had these six speakers a decade or two ago and having wired them up (the rear pair were difficult) I just want to continue using them. I assume that '5.1' covers my setup correctly, although the occasional references in the settings (both Win 10 Sound and Realtek) seem ambiguous to me. Much studying needed.

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browj2 wrote on 5/8/2017, 11:24 AM

And out the window goes your self-imposed deadline.

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emmrecs wrote on 5/8/2017, 11:32 AM

Hi Terry,

A surround sound system is supposed to give you the aural effect of being in the "middle" of the action, hence surrounded. 5.1 strictly implies you have six speakers, configured as a pair covering Front Right and Front Left, a second pair covering Rear Left and Rear Right (for sounds which appear to emanate from behind you), a single centre mono channel (often used in feature films for dialogue) and one additional speaker, the ".1", usually physically larger than the others and intended for LFE, "Low frequency Effects". (Think "Thunder", "Explosions", etc., etc.)

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terrypin wrote on 5/8/2017, 4:21 PM

Thanks Jeff. Apart from a few corrections, burning some DVDs and making cases for them, I've now finished my project. So I'll be back tomorrow for advice from you and the other audio experts on how best to proceed. My objective, which has no concern for 'aural authenticity' etc, is to get back to my previous status:

1. All speakers contributing if the source files allow it.
2. Able to record with my AKG Perception USB mic with no unwelcome restrictions on MEP track placement.
3. Consistent playback of the recordings, so that what I hear during editing is pretty close to what I and others will hear on the TV from MP4 or DVD,

I also hope to learn a little more how this complex mix of settings relate and interact with each other, some Windows, some Realtek, whatever.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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Scenestealer wrote on 5/8/2017, 5:47 PM

Hi Terry

Precision requires switching to full screen

Don't forget you can magnify the image in the default size preview monitor using the dropdown menu top left, to gain accuracy with positional changes. I think we discussed this with you some time back.

Where was the question about 5.1?

@emmrecs

The purists actually recommend the Rear speakers are placed either side of the listener with a 5.1 setup and this works well at your PC if you have a wrap around desk. Speakers behind are usually part of a 6.1 or 7.1 system.

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terrypin wrote on 5/9/2017, 12:48 AM

Hi Peter,

Monitor

Yes, I've used the monitor zoom often since you recommended it during that earlier discussion. It helps a lot for KF x,y precision but of course not for timing. However, as per my post last night, I've now mastered John CB's technique.

5.1

That's being discussed In several other parallel posts about my audio issues. Any confusion down to me, sorry! I hope to pursue this to a conclusion today.

 

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