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CubeAce wrote on 5/15/2021, 4:55 AM

@Chris-Clark

Hi Chris and welcome to the user to user forums.

Am I understanding the question correctly? That you want the background video to move in relative respect to the foreground video?

Then the answer is yes but there may be quality and framing issues.

The background video should be of a higher resolution than the foreground video to maintain quality of the background as it would have to be expanded using the position size tool so the edges will go outside of the expected resolution area. That would then allow manual tracking of the background image to be made using the key editor. But then there becomes the framing and possible quality issue. Because the background has now been enlarged, grain could start to show or the image may look softer and you will only see a portion of the background image including top to bottom which may not be ideal from a scale point of view.

Also the background image can not be on track one. Track one must be the smaller resolution used throughout the video and used as the key track for the export size and allow the next used track with the background to be expanded across using the size position tool.

So, Ideally the tracks should look something like this.

Track one : 1920 x 1080 to lock the video export size. You could use a plain coloured jpeg and stretch it across the length of the project if need be. Once in place forget it. It has done it's job of locking the projects frame size.

Track two : 3840 x 2160 to allow the size position tool to move it around within the framed area.

Track three : 1920 x 1080 with main foreground character.

I have never tried this for that reason but should in principle, work but may end up looking very odd if scale of images and resolution do not match. Some sharpening of the background video may help.

Ray.

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johnebaker wrote on 5/15/2021, 7:00 AM

@Chris-Clark

Hi

Assuming you mean you want an image or video to follow the green screen area as shown below I used the Motion tracking technique here

Background video

Result

HTH

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Chris-Clark wrote on 5/16/2021, 4:50 AM

@Chris-Clark

Hi Chris and welcome to the user to user forums.

Am I understanding the question correctly? That you want the background video to move in relative respect to the foreground video?

Then the answer is yes but there may be quality and framing issues.

The background video should be of a higher resolution than the foreground video to maintain quality of the background as it would have to be expanded using the position size tool so the edges will go outside of the expected resolution area. That would then allow manual tracking of the background image to be made using the key editor. But then there becomes the framing and possible quality issue. Because the background has now been enlarged, grain could start to show or the image may look softer and you will only see a portion of the background image including top to bottom which may not be ideal from a scale point of view.

Also the background image can not be on track one. Track one must be the smaller resolution used throughout the video and used as the key track for the export size and allow the next used track with the background to be expanded across using the size position tool.

So, Ideally the tracks should look something like this.

Track one : 1920 x 1080 to lock the video export size. You could use a plain coloured jpeg and stretch it across the length of the project if need be. Once in place forget it. It has done it's job of locking the projects frame size.

Track two : 3840 x 2160 to allow the size position tool to move it around within the framed area.

Track three : 1920 x 1080 with main foreground character.

I have never tried this for that reason but should in principle, work but may end up looking very odd if scale of images and resolution do not match. Some sharpening of the background video may help.

Ray.

OK maybe I did not explain myself well enough and I apologize about that. I have a video. The video has green screen in it, and the green screen moves. around. I want to add a picture to it and have that picture move with the video, and not stay stationary. I added the video here. And what I have done with my picture. But I want the picture to move with the movement of the green screen.

.

CubeAce wrote on 5/16/2021, 5:55 AM

@Chris-Clark @johnebaker

Hi Chris.

This is my personal opinion but can't see a better way.

I don't think this is something you could do within Movie Edit Pro easily or smoothly. You need a program that has intelligent 3D motion tracking with an AI based effect such as is found in the Vegas Post Suite with their Planar Motion Tracking. Please click the link and scroll down to see the video.

Not that it could not be done within MEP but it would have to be done manually, frame by frame using the size position, rotation, and distortion tools together and I fear the result would not be that smooth or accurate.

Nice video bye the way. Is there no way to add another layer to the green screen using whatever you used to produce it?

Ray.

 

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johnebaker wrote on 5/16/2021, 7:03 AM

@Chris-Clark, @CubeAce

Hi Chris

. . . . I don't think this is something you could do within Movie Edit Pro easily or smoothly . . . .

I agree with this, there are too many highlights, changes in angle, and interruptions in the Green screen for the Motion Tracking feature to work.

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Chris-Clark wrote on 5/16/2021, 8:48 AM

@Chris-Clark @johnebaker

Hi Chris.

This is my personal opinion but can't see a better way.

I don't think this is something you could do within Movie Edit Pro easily or smoothly. You need a program that has intelligent 3D motion tracking with an AI based effect such as is found in the Vegas Post Suite with their Planar Motion Tracking. Please click the link and scroll down to see the video.

Not that it could not be done within MEP but it would have to be done manually, frame by frame using the size position, rotation, and distortion tools together and I fear the result would not be that smooth or accurate.

Nice video bye the way. Is there no way to add another layer to the green screen using whatever you used to produce it?

Ray.

Me _ And I know this may be stupid to say, but I refuse to use Adobe. I know thy have great stuff, but I have been using Magix since Movie Edit 11, and I like it and I have made good money using Magix, and everyone asks me what I use, I refuse to tell them. Nevermind Magix it is more reasonably priced. So I will look at the Vegas product and see if I want to make the leap. That said this video - I did not make it with the green screen, it was offered to me by a friend so I can not take credit for it - but it is cool. I think what is happening, I been doing it on this level so long, it may be time for me to move up to something by Magix that is more advanced. Thanks guys!

CubeAce wrote on 5/16/2021, 9:01 AM

@Chris-Clark

Hi Chris.

The problem is you are moving from basic video editing to post production special effects.

As such you need a post production suite with more powerful tools. There are third party effects and post production tools that you could buy to use within MEP but they are sometimes more than the cost of a monthly subscription to something like Vegas Post Suite. Although Vegas Post Suite can be bought outright and parts updated free for a year, the plugins can regularly be updated or replaced so the monthly subscription makes more sense.

It would be nice to see someone produce such a suite you could work on and only pay for when needed, so say for a week or a month when you needed it for slighly more than a monthly subscription fee, as a lot of people would only need such dedicated tools for specific productions.

Maybe one day.

Ray.

 

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