Help me choose a video card

atmelcool wrote on 5/5/2021, 2:53 AM

Hello, help me choose a video card no more than 6,000 rubles (that's all I can pull out).
Will this map allow me to edit faster? https://www.dns-shop.ru/product/1d245a204f5c4699/videokarta-msi-geforce-gt-730-n730-4gd3/characteristics/

My computer currently has an Intel (R) Core (TM) i5-4460 CPU @ 3.20GHz 3.20 GHz, 8.00 GB (available: 7.88 GB), Asus B85M-G motherboard, no graphics adapter (only embedded in motherboard fee)

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CubeAce wrote on 5/5/2021, 3:15 AM

@atmelcool

Hi.

Basically I would say no.

Any additional graphics cards is not going to improve the editing experience if the main Intel CPU does not contain HD 520 graphics or preferably higher. Even with an additional graphics card you would need to run a headless ghost on one output to enable both to work within the bios or run two monitors.

Ray.

 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

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Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

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johnebaker wrote on 5/5/2021, 3:23 AM

@atmelcool

Hi

With the specification of your computer there are some limitations on video editing, for which we need more information:

Which variant, Basic, Plus or Premium, and the version number of Movie Edit Pro you have?

What is the resolution of the source videos you are using?

What resolution and file type do you want to export as eg MP4 h.264/AVC, HEVC h.265 etc, or are you wanting to create Blu-Ray discs?

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

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atmelcool wrote on 5/5/2021, 4:18 AM

@atmelcool

Привет

Спецификация компьютера предлагает некоторые ограничения на редактирование видео, для которых нужна дополнительная информация:

Какой у вас вариант: Basic, Plus или Premium, а также номер версии Movie Edit Pro?

Какое разрешение исходных видео вы используете?

Какое разрешение и тип файла вы хотите экспортировать, например, MP4 h.264 / AVC, HEVC h.265 и т. Д., Или вы хотите создать диски Blu-Ray?

Джон ЭБ

MEPremium latest version. MP4 video for YouTube, social networks. Sometimes video for DVD disc for memory.

atmelcool wrote on 5/5/2021, 4:20 AM

@atmelcool

Привет.

В принципе, я бы сказал нет.

Никакие дополнительные видеокарты не улучшат качество редактирования, если основной процессор Intel не содержит графику HD 520 или, желательно, выше. Даже с дополнительной видеокартой вам нужно запустить безголовый призрак на одном выходе, чтобы они могли работать в BIOS или запустить два монитора.

Рэй.

 

это конечно печально, спасибо поддерживает ли моя материнская плата такие процессоры? Я правильно понимаю, что можно обойтись без видеокарты, но с более мощным процессором, поддерживающим НD 520 и выше? Или требуется покупка видеокарты?

CubeAce wrote on 5/5/2021, 5:26 AM

@atmelcool @johnebaker

This is certainly sad, thanks. Does my motherboard support such processors? I understand correctly that you can do without a video card, but with a more powerful processor that supports HD 520 and higher? Or do you need to buy a video card?

Hi.

Unfortunately no. Intel, unlike some newer AMD processors nearly always need a new motherboard as the processor designs change from generation to generation. Your processors HD 4600 does does give some hardware acceleration support depending on the video resolutions you work with, hence John EBs' questions.

The problem is one of what is the weakest link and how hard are you pushing the computer?

Even with quite a generously specified machine there can become bottlenecks. Currently I am working on a 4K project consisting of nine parallel running tracks of video and audio and because my project is on a SATA spinning disk with limited onboard cache memory, I get pauses and momentary freezing of the running of the project while data goes from the disc to be loaded into ram. If I did not have enough ram it would further freeze the program as some of the project that should have been loaded to ram would then be placed on the C: drive to act as virtual ram.

A lesser tough project pays fine with no problems, so it comes down to what you need to do or want to do and find out how much impact it has on the ability to edit. Adding effects and how many at once also can cause problems.

The reason we ask so many questions about a given problem on the forum is to find out what is required or desired and try to find out what is possible or needs to be changed to accomplish the task.

Upgrading a system is also not always straightforward. Sometimes changing one component can cause the power supply to have problems supplying enough power when components are either changed or added. Sometimes older power supplies no longer have the correct connectors for the new parts. Care has to be taken in planning an upgrade.

Ray.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

atmelcool wrote on 5/5/2021, 6:53 AM

@atmelcool @johnebaker

Это конечно печально, спасибо. Поддерживает ли моя материнская плата такие процессоры? Я могу обойтись без видеокарты, но с более мощным процессором поддерживающим HD 520 и выше? Или нужно видеокарту покупать?

Привет.

К сожалению нет. Intel, в отличие от некоторых новых процессоров AMD, почти всегда нуждается в новой материнской плате, поскольку дизайн процессоров меняется от поколения к поколению. Ваши процессоры HD 4600 действительно обеспечивают некоторую поддержку аппаратного ускорения в разрешении видео, с помощью которых вы работаете, отсюда и вопросы Джона ЭБ.

Проблема в том, что является самым слабым звеном и насколько сильно вы нажимаете на компьютер?

Даже при наличии достаточно мощной машины могут быть узкие места. В настоящее время я работаю над проектом 4K, состоящий из работающих работающих дорожек видео и аудио, поскольку мой проект находится на вращающемся диске SATA с ограниченной кеш-памятью, я получаю паузы и мгновенное зависание выполнения проекта, пока данные идут из диска, который будет загружен в плунжер. Если бы у меня не было оперативной памяти, это еще больше было загружено в оперативную память, поскольку были загружены некоторые из проектов, которые были загружены в оперативную память, затем были помещены на диск C:, чтобы действовать как виртуальная оперативная память.

Менее эффективный проект окупается без проблем, поэтому все сводится к тому, что вам нужно сделать, чтобы выяснить, какое влияние это оказывает на возможность редактирования. Добавление эффектов и сколько их сразу тоже может вызвать проблемы.

Причина, по которой мы задаем так много вопросов по конкретной проблеме, заключается в том, чтобы выяснить, что требуется или желательно, и попытаться выяснить, что можно или нужно изменить для выполнения задачи.

Обновить систему также не всегда просто. Иногда замена одного компонента может привести к тому, что источник питания будет иметь проблемы с подачей достаточного количества энергии при замене или добавлении компонентов. Иногда в старых блоках питания больше нет правильных разъемов для новых деталей. Следует проявлять осторожность при планировании обновления.

Рэй.

Thank you, in any case, a complete replacement of the motherboard, processor, video card and power supply is beyond my means. The dollar exchange rate in my country is quite high, and in order to build a normal average computer, you need to collect five full salaries and not feed my family and not eat myself for five months, I will not succeed. In any case, thank you for the information provided.

CubeAce wrote on 5/5/2021, 9:32 AM

@atmelcool

No problem. Glad to give information to think about.

The problem at present is prices are currently way above what they should be world wide due to microprocessor shortages brought on by bad planning and unprecedented demand from richer countries having to work or study from home. The prices may not drop for some time and this has had a knock on effect on second hand prices. Anything at this level requires specifications above the average need of most users.

Even for the better off part of the population, prices of some components for some people is two to three times higher than it should be.

There are still programs and some that are free that will do most of what you need if you do not want to go above HD resolution and not tax your system. Export times may still be slow though. Additional add on packages always look tempting but it can be a trap into buying software not suitable for an older system.

In my personal opinion you would have found Movie Edit Pro 18 much less demanding on your system. It may not have as many third party effects but the basics do not change that much and may have run much better on your system. Certainly no faster but maybe more smoothly on lower resolution projects.

I started with Movie Edit Pro 18 on a system much lower specified than your own and apart from the export times being in hours rather than minutes, it ran very well on projects up to HD quality.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."