ISO created, VOB file audio identified as MP3

mark-perry wrote on 5/1/2021, 12:38 AM

intent: 4 Hour dual-layer DVD, source: vhs PAL tape excellent source

some stop and go's with tiny gaps (not many say 10 about 30 sec or less) to cover clogs etc. all gaps and files grouped. no further mixing done...yet. Chapters placed (fine).

computer, TV Box and older Blu-Ray media player all identified audio OK. but my current Blu-Ray media player identifies some VOBs audio (prob where the fixes were) as MP3 audio and therefore not heard.

This was checked on the media player playing VOB 1 2 3 etc not like a proper DVD wheras on the PC i was and it was OK.

i'm just wondering should i be concerned if: any mixing or tidying up in the project should be done; or is it purely the way the media reader interprets the ISO whereas a physical disc should be OK.

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johnebaker wrote on 5/1/2021, 5:28 AM

@mark-perry

Hi

. . . . but my current Blu-Ray media player identifies some VOBs audio (prob where the fixes were) as MP3 audio and therefore not heard . . . . is it purely the way the media reader interprets the ISO . . . .

Which Blue-Ray media player are you using to play the DVD ISO image?

Try playing the disc with VLC.

What does MediaInfo say the audio type is for each VOB - usually it is:

Audio
ID                                       : 192 (0xC0)
Format                                   : MPEG Audio
Format version                           : Version 1
Format profile                           : Layer 2

. . . . . whereas a physical disc should be OK . . . .

Unfortunately there are no DVD-RW dual layer discs available which would make testing easier. The only way to test is to burn a disc.

John EB

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

mark-perry wrote on 5/5/2021, 4:50 PM

It did it again.

Same method of interpretation but different project.

Same intent and sources but standard dvd, 128 min. Perfect transfer so no gaps were needed IOW 1 complete recording.

This time 5 Vobs - ok mp3 ok mp3 ok.

One think I noted with both projects is they were adjusted to fit the intended disc size so wether that's a clue.

Scenestealer wrote on 5/5/2021, 5:13 PM

@mark-perry @johnebaker

Hi

NTSC DVD's usually need AC-3 Audio whereas PAL can use MPEG-2. You can select this in the "MPEG-2 >Advanced> Audio Tab" encoder settings so try using an alternative audio codec for the encode / burn and see how that goes.

Peter

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mark-perry wrote on 5/5/2021, 8:01 PM

i'm thinking everything's fine and it's probably just a result of the fitting to disc process and nothing more and that player by its software just happened pick it up, to me it would seem daft it if the process transferred to a physical disc then i would be spitting chips.

but i'm purely at the stage of create the Disc Image, confirm its all ok (visually/sound cocks ups etc) on a physical TV then commit it to a DVD disc.

ericlnz wrote on 5/5/2021, 10:08 PM

Rather than waste any more discs if you do as Scenestealer suggests and use AC-3 audio you should avoid any problems irrespective of which Player/TV combination you use.

AAProds wrote on 5/6/2021, 12:57 AM

@mark-perry

You're not giving us any more info to work with. To help you, you need to answer John's questions:

Which Blue-Ray media player are you using to play the DVD ISO image?

and

Try playing the disc with VLC.

and

What does MediaInfo say the audio type is for each VOB

We can then try using your player (if any of us have it) to see if there is a problem on our systems. The mediainfo data for each VOB would be very informative because it will show us the difference in the audio of each of the VOBs.

Also, is this one single movie? That is, are the 5 VOBs the same movie or do you have multiple movies in the project?

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

mark-perry wrote on 5/6/2021, 1:34 AM

plays ok - (by age) Laser BLU-1080-3D, Laser STB-6000

has problems - Laser BLU-3000 * both the 1080 and 3000 you just right click and it will tell you the DVD or files properties, bit rate, the both have the same template but the 3000 pictured has improved firmware

PC confirmation - Media Player Lite, which you can right click and open a box with specs of the file (even during playback)

johnebaker wrote on 5/6/2021, 6:30 AM

@mark-perry

Hi

From your posts -

. . . . 4 Hour dual-layer DVD, source: vhs PAL tape excellent source . . . . identifies some VOBs audio . . . . MPEG4 Video h.264 (from image above) . . . .

This is confusing - we are missing something in the workflow you are using.

From what you have posted above it would appear you are capturing a copyrighted VHS tape the question is how and want to end up with a Blu-Ray disc by a route involving DVD VOBs.

What was the actual route from tape to Blu-Ray eg:

  1. Did you transfer the tape to DVD with a VHS/DVD combo recorder ? This would give you the VOB's mentioned.

    If not how did you get the video into VOB's?
     
  2. Did you import the VOBs into MEP and then burn to disc as Blu-Ray?

The image in your last post appears to indicate you have captured a video clip that is on Youtube, and is subject to copyright by the original author, from whom you need permission to do this - is this correct and is it the other project you mentioned?

If so please remove the images above

John EB

Last changed by johnebaker on 5/6/2021, 6:47 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

AAProds wrote on 5/6/2021, 7:44 AM

@mark-perry Mark, that is pretty nifty that Media Player Lite can give you a Mediainfo readout. Could you show us the bottom bit of the readout (the audio section) for one of the "good" VOBs and one of the "bad" VOBs.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

AAProds wrote on 5/6/2021, 7:50 AM

@mark-perry I would suspect the BLU-3000. Check that it has up-to-date firmware.

Not exactly complimentary comments here:

https://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/2763775

Last changed by AAProds on 5/6/2021, 7:55 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

mark-perry wrote on 5/6/2021, 3:07 PM

John the clip was for demonstration purposes of what happens, just chance I captured that image but the recording is for backup purposes for me only.

To make it clear, it was recorded on Magix MEP 2021 on a laptop, and the 'copyright' is my blu-ray player (not a recorder) which contains a media player and you are watching that player viewing the Vobs created by the Magix IMAGE (or any video file you give it mp4 avi mkv etc). I supplied the model of players so use the info in the thread and you can find out what they are.

A finished cd or dvd simply reads and plays, if those only have files (like usb sticks) you can go to the 'media centre' which is what I have done with the IMAGE files (not a physical disc)

MediaPlayerLite google it and uts free, I use it way more than VLC and it's way easier.

Laser 3000, pretty exaggerated, haven't had 1 disc or file refused, I had the 1080 so I missed the front counter. The media player is a good up version. I found the firmware ages ago but that didn't changed. The main gripe was discs jamming but I've fed it 100s and no probs.

But AAprods is pretty much on the money it's just that player.

I actually played with the 129 min video (read the thread instead of hypothesising) tweaking the picture tone but nothing came of it yet this time it gave me vob mp3 mp3 mp3 mp3 so it does indicate it may be only the player and I use the other OK players I have for the evaluation.

John I'm happy to remove my demonstration and replace with one that's less complex that way we can stay focused on the subject.

johnebaker wrote on 5/7/2021, 4:57 AM

@mark-perry

Hi Mark

Thanks for the clarification - it helps clear up what the demonstration image and video were showing, I would suggest you leave the post as is, otherwise it is going to cause more confusion with what the subsequent posts were discussing.

So to get back on track - intent: 4 Hour dual-layer DVD, source: vhs PAL tape - played on a BluRay player.

. . . . computer, TV Box and older Blu-Ray media player all identified audio OK. but my current Blu-Ray media player identifies some VOBs audio . . . as MP3 audio . . . plays ok - (by age) Laser BLU-1080-3D, Laser STB-6000 . . . . has problems - Laser BLU-3000 . . . .

As the movie plays correctly on 4 out of 5 players/devices, it appears to me that there is nothing wrong with it and I would agree with @AAProds that the Laser 3000 is the main suspect.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

mark-perry wrote on 5/9/2021, 2:21 AM

Looks like we're all sorted. Only i cooked a frisbee when I forget to add a VIDEO_TS folder witth the files in it the first time and it did the same crap but it worked the second time.

johnebaker wrote on 5/9/2021, 3:49 AM

@mark-perry

Hi Mark

. . . .  i cooked a frisbee when I forget to add a VIDEO_TS folder  . . . .

How and what with are you creating/burning a disc?

From an ISO file you have 2 ways of doing this directly:

  • Windows File Explorer - right click the ISO and select Burn disc image
     
  • ImgBurn, Nero etc - burn the ISO direct to disc.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

mark-perry wrote on 5/9/2021, 4:02 AM

the original finished and created IMAGE (folder DVD disc name which contains all the DVD files), checked the VOBs through the player that correctly played them (and to check i hadn't missed anything) all happy. first i accidentally put only the dvd files only over to disc (in file manager: files to disc and burn), realised i ballsed up when the player told me it was a data disc so a repeat of the same crud, so the 2nd time i created the empty VIDEO_TS folder put files into that and repeated above, this time it loaded on 2 dvd players as a working dvd (menu > play > audio all good) happy ever after.

johnebaker wrote on 5/9/2021, 8:16 AM

@mark-perry

Hi Mark

You only need to burn the ISO file that was created - there is no need to be messing with burning the folder of files.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

mark-perry wrote on 5/9/2021, 4:33 PM

I downloaded lots of fan made DVDs and sometimes they just include the dvd files so I add the video_ts, only in this case I simply forgot to.