@nicolesharp100

Hi If you go to the program's Movie Settings and manually change the frame rate and audio to match the files and the press OK then the next time you open the settings they should be correct. Then import your video files.

If you are sill not getting audio then we may have to have a look at the video file data. More instructions on how to do that can come later if this doesn't work for you.

Ray.

@nicolesharp100

Hi

We need more information on the MOV file encoding formats used for the video and audio.

Download and install MediaInfo and analyse one of the clips and post the results, see this tutorial on how to setup MediaInfo and analyse a video clip for all the data required.      

Do you have QuickTime for Windows installed?

What is the final destination or /usage of the final video, ie a video file for uploading to the Internet or make a DVD etc.

John EB
Forum Moderator

I do not have QuickTime installed. All of the exported files I have tried so far have no audio. I tried several different export formats including WMV which has an option for 1X 20 FPS with 4X 11.025 kHz. Otherwise I was using 3X 20 FPS = 60 FPS and 4X 11.025 kHz = 44.1 kHz for integer multiples of the original settings from Kodak.

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@nicolesharp100

Nicole, could you upload one of the videos to Google Drive or similar file-sharing site and post the link here for us to analyse. In the worst case, it's easy to convert them to a format Magix can handle for editing.

@nicolesharp100

Hi.

The last version of QuickTime for Windows still works on the latest version of Windows. I have it installed with no problems. Whether Magix will take advantage of that for your videos or not I don't know. You can only try. It's also easy to uninstal if it doesn't work.

Players do not have to re-encode video and for whatever reason video editors often won't play videos easily played on players like VLC.

Ray.

@nicolesharp100

Nicole, could you upload one of the videos to Google Drive or similar file-sharing site and post the link here for us to analyse. In the worst case, it's easy to convert them to a format Magix can handle for editing.

Microsoft Copilot suggested to re-encode the audiovideo with FFMPEG before importing to Magix. I haven't tried that yet but might be easier than trying to compile the video and audio separately after rotating.

https://1drv.ms/v/c/dbc7eb86ca02fc38/ETRA_SVZIj5OqP2qv--3n6kBWsZcjhpqxtTJihmMSN-YKQ?e=pm003L

@nicolesharp100

Hi

Thansk for the video clip.

Quicktime does not help with this video.

. . . . Otherwise I was using 3X 20 FPS = 60 FPS and 4X 11.025 kHz = 44.1 kHz for integer multiples of the original settings from Kodak . . . .

That is not how increasing the framerate works, it just adds, in some cases, repeated frames or interpolates the missing frames from the 'real frames' to make up the requiaite number of frames per second. Audio is unaffected.

. . . . re-encode the audiovideo with FFMPEG . . . .

Use a video converter such as Handbrake or Avidemux, these are much easier to use than FFMPEG.

The issue of the 20fps is in the most somewhat irrelevant. A Handbrake conversion to 320 x 240, h.264 video 30 fps with AAC audio at works fine and has audio when imported in to VPX.

@AAProds has tutorials for both converters here is the Handbrake tutorial

John EB

@nicolesharp100

Hi

Thansk for the video clip.

Quicktime does not help with this video.

. . . . Otherwise I was using 3X 20 FPS = 60 FPS and 4X 11.025 kHz = 44.1 kHz for integer multiples of the original settings from Kodak . . . .

That is not how increasing the framerate works, it just adds, in some cases, repeated frames or interpolates the missing frames from the 'real frames' to make up the requiaite number of frames per second. Audio is unaffected.

. . . . re-encode the audiovideo with FFMPEG . . . .

Use a video converter such as Handbrake or Avidemux, these are much easier to use than FFMPEG.

The issue of the 20fps is in the most somewhat irrelevant. A Handbrake conversion to 320 x 240, h.264 video 30 fps with AAC audio at works fine and has audio when imported in to VPX.

@AAProds has tutorials for both converters here is the Handbrake tutorial

John EB

Avidemux has the same problem as Magix: no audio playback inside the app and no audio in exported videos. Trying HandBrake next.

@nicolesharp100

I found the same with AVIDemux. Handbrake works:

Summary and Dimensions tabs: no change

Filters tab: Detelecine and Interlace Detection Off.

Video tab:

-H.264 (either x264 or whatever you have available via your graphics card)

-Frame Rate: I'd put it on Same as Source, Constant

-Quality: either RF of 16 or Av Bitrate of 5000kb, tick both boxes (you could experiment with the bit rate, the higher the more quality is retained

Audio Tab: Codec AAC, Bitrate 192, Mixdown Mono, Samplerate 48

Magix will have no probs opening that.

You can do all your files at once; on starting HB, just use the folder open option.

Confirmed that HandBrake conversion to AAC audio works to get Magix Video Pro X16 to play QuickTime PCM audio. I used: Production Max Preset, MKV Format, H.265 Constant Framerate Same as Source, Placebo Encoder Preset, Average Bitrate 5926 kbit/s = 2*(60 Mbit/s)*(240/1080)^2, Multi-Pass Encoding, Turbo Analysis Pass, Audio AAC Quality 5 @ Sample Rate 11.025 kHz, no chapter markers.

What I'd really like to see is FLAC support for Magix. That would be nicer than the lossy audio recompression.

HandBrake is free open-source software. So if HandBrake can do it so should Magix. Hopefully for X18 the Magix developers can transfer to Video Pro X whatever codecs HandBrake uses in its open source code to edit QuickTime PCM audio and then add FLAC audio support too which is also open-source.

@nicolesharp100

Of note is that Video Deluxe won't export MP4 ie H264 below 24fps; I don't know if VPX does. VPX will add duplicate frames as necessary to "fill up" the frame rate to 24 (or whatever you set) for export. Best to set the desired framerate (=> 24) in the movie settings first though; that will prevent warning messages.

@nicolesharp100

Of note is that Video Deluxe won't export MP4 ie H264 below 24fps; I don't know if VPX does. VPX will add duplicate frames as necessary to "fill up" the frame rate to 24 (or whatever you set) for export. Best to set the desired framerate (=> 24) in the movie settings first though; that will prevent warning messages.

Confirmed. You get some weird video artifacts if the framerates aren't correlated correctly.

20 FPS is only supported for AVI, MGX, and WMV formats from Magix Video Pro X16. Whereas HandBrake will export MKV and MP4 formats as 20 FPS.

I kept the original settings as 320*240 (4:3) pixels at 20 FPS with 11.025 kHz audio sampling for the HandBrake MKV export. Then to rotate a 320*240 video at 20 FPS as an MP4 export, I set the Magix Video Pro X16 project settings as 320*320 (1:1) at 60 FPS = 3X 20 FPS with 44.1 kHz = 4X 11.025 kHz audio sampling. This appears to have worked correctly. 60 FPS means the filesize is 3 times larger than it needs to be by tripling each frame but I think that is better than a non-integer multiple of frames to meet the Magix MP4 framerate requirement. This is also something that could be improved for X18 perhaps, since HandBrake supports MP4 and MKV exports at 20 FPS whereas Magix does not.

Doesn't appear to be any problems with the audio but the HEVC MP4 export from Magix has flickering and double exposure. The HEVC MKV export from HandBrake plays without any errors before rotating in Magix. Other than the rotation, the only changes are to triple the framerate and quadruple the audio sampling. This is on Intel Iris Xe integrated graphics.

Similar problems with AVC export. The video exported from HandBrake is fine but after rotating in Magix there are small glitches including a missing second at the end of the video (video from HandBrake is 39 seconds but video from Magix is 37 seconds).

@nicolesharp100

60 FPS means the filesize is 3 times larger than it needs to be by tripling each frame

Not so, these lossy codecs use a comparison system between each frame and only save what's changed. At regular intervals, there's a full frame to restart the sequence. There will be little difference in file size at the various frame rates. On the other hand Lossless formats, where every frame is stored in it's entirety, do increase in size as the frame rate increases.

I would try setting Handbrake to output 60fps and 48khz as MP4 and try that in VPX. The video has to be encoded in HB anyway (because of the audio recode) so you may find VPX likes that better.

Also, try exporting from VPX as "MPEG 4" (ie H264). Your source files are quite unusual so may be tripping up the HEVC encoding process somewhere.

Could you post another, brighter video? The first one was quite dark and I can't work out which way is up. 😉

@AAProds, @nicolesharp100

Hi Al

. . . . .  H264 below 24fps; I don't know if VPX does . . . . .

It does not .

The minimum framerate of 24 fps is a legacy 'cinema' look, and, although the h.264 encoding can go as low as 5 fps, however anything below 24 fps is going to start getting visually jerky when there is movement across the frame or panning.

. . . . Production Max Preset, MKV Format, H.265  . . . .

I agree with the settings Al recommended settings of using h264 60fps and AAC 48khz audio in the MP4 file format.

h.265/HEVC is a highly compressed video encoding format, considering the low resolution and quality of the C330 video files you are starting with, this is crushing what quality you are starting with.

With respect to CoPilot, which you have quoted several times, do be aware this is an 'aggregator' of all information it has scooped up from the internet and can lead you down 'rabbit holes' creating issues further down the line.

One question you have not answered. What is the end destination or /usage of the final video, ie a video file for uploading to the Internet or make a DVD etc?

John EB

I was originally focused on just the missing audio but I notice now that the original video codec reported by VLC is Motion JPEG Video (MJPEG). Many of these old videos are glitchy in the original formats likely with JPEG corruption after being copied over and over from ancient hardware. But the specific video that I need to rotate doesn't have the glitches in the Handbrake output, only in the Magix output. I will keep experimenting with different codecs and formats to try find something that works. HEVC was probably a bad idea for such an old file at 240p20.

https://1drv.ms/f/c/dbc7eb86ca02fc38/Eolz81UH8gNFqVECuupDEl4BEB6VkxXecJ_AmK5xhRJZVA?e=VCdCiI

Interestingly, VDL 2026 is saying the video is 25fps when both MediaInfo and Virtual Dub are showing it as 20fps.

@nicolesharp100

Thanks for the extra files, at 60fps and 48khz they come in nicely to Magix.

The goal is to rotate the video by 90 degrees clockwise and then export in a modern compressed format for sharing online.

@AAProds, @nicolesharp100

Hi Al

. . . . VDL 2026 is saying the video is 25fps . . . .

VPX does the same, no matter what frame rate the jpeg encoded actual rate is, tested on other JPEG encoded movie files I have.

. . . at 60fps and 48khz . . .

I assume you mean as h.264 encoded MP4, no problems here either after conversion.

Hi Nicole

. . . . sharing online . . . .

At DVD resolution 720x480 (NTSC) and 720x576 (PAL) h.264 60 fps the video is, IMHO, 'acceptable' with some evidence of jaggies, the pendulum clip shows this at its worst with the circular rail.

Exporting to h.264 FullHD 1920 x 1080 resolution the image quality is very poor. I will test AI upscaling in a different video editor on the pendulum clip.

The above exports had Neat Video denoising applied to get rid if some of the 'noisy' nature of the original clips..

John EB

@nicolesharp100

During some testing, I found a frame jump in the pendulum file. It turns out it was Handbrake's encoding: when I set the filters tab to completely default (no adjustments to the interlacing settings) the jump disappeared.

So, for my "Filters tab" suggestion a few posts up, ignore and just accept the defaults.

I still get strange errors from Magix when trying to import files from HandBrake. MP4 H264 AAC says "QuickTime is not installed. QuickTime must be installed in order to play this file." MKV H264 AAC says "An unknown error has occurred. No media decoder found." But then MKV H265 AAC works fine on Video Pro X16 without any errors. So I may be stuck with using H265 only? These are all keeping the same resolution (340*240), framerate (20 FPS), and audio sampling (11.025 kHz) for the HandBrake export. VP9 and MPEG2 also give the same error as H264 when importing to Magix from HandBrake. BTW: for some reason, AC3 audio sounds nicer than the original audio but AAC audio is closer to the original sound quality.