@CubeAce

HI Ray

Many thanks for confirming - at least I am not alone 😂 with this one.

John EB

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

I have found the resizing issue with the Fresh Movie Looks template only occurs when the preview screen is on the monitor connected to Nvidia GPU - it does not occur when - the preview monitor is on the monitor connected to the Intel GPU as you can see below - can you confirm please.

Thanks

John EB

Greetings John,

If I've read your last post correctly, the issue is only when attached to Nvidia. I only have Nvidia and cannot replicate the issue - at least as it's shown in your video.

AndyW

Edit for ignorance - LUTS?

@johnebaker

I did do the initial test on my nvidia powered monitor John so I suspect my results will be the same once I switch over. I am currently exporting a file so will try when it's finished.

I'm doing another export test after Andy W's latest findings as I did my testing with MEP on the nvidia powered monitor. I always forget it makes a difference to the export times and I prefer to work on projects on the nvidia powered monitor as I prefer the colour accuracy. So far though on my machine if it is going to be faster it doesn't look like it will be by much.

I haven't used my old base test for this but a more complex and longer one representing more of what I do more often. Seven minutes long, eleven tracks of 4K footage with a single audio track. Various resizing / positioning and colour rendering plug-ins being used. On the nvidia monitor the export took 1 hour 36 minutes give or take a few seconds. At the moment it looks like it will be slower having the project on the Intel powered monitor.

Go figure.

Ray.

@me_again

Hi Andy.

Sorry but you have the setup wrong.

You need to run four different tracks in parallel and apply the effect to each track placing each of the clips in opposing corners.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Greetings Ray,

That's what I did. The video had only 1 track for screen recording convenience,

AndyW

@me_again

Hi Andy.

Understood and I looked again more closely. It's still wrong.

The problem only effects the 'Fresh' LUT. not the others. You used Sepia in your video.

Can you try again please using the 'Fresh' LUT?

Ray.

@CubeAce

OK Ray, I'll give you that one. Fresh does corrupt as decribed.

However, a workround seems to be unchecking "Color Correction", As far as my getting on a bit eyes can tell it doesn't seem to make any difference.

AndyW

ps What is LUTs an acronym for, showing my ignorance again?

@johnebaker @me_again

Hi John.

I can confirm it does not happen using the Intel powered monitor. More curiously, if I then place MEP on the nvidia Monitor it still shows correctly. Even if I then save the project on the nvidia monitor. Close down MEP and then restart MEP on the nvidia monitor. It shows correctly. So not exactly a bug is it? Or is it?

And on my rendering an export with MEP on the Intel monitor? It took thirty seven minutes longer. ????

My only conclusion can be that export times vary depending on which monitor MEP is on when exporting and what the content of the project has within dependant on the effects being used within that project.

So basically it's still a lottery with no way of knowing beforehand which monitor to place MEP on for best export time results. When that difference could mean a third longer wait (or more, or less) It means you have to just sit back and suck it up.

Marvellous!

Ray.

@me_again

Hi Andy.

The effects can be very subtle and what you can see may depend on how accurate and wide a colour gamut reproduction your monitor has (or whether you have colour calibrated your screen or not) and how colour blind you are. The first and second conditions seems more applicable and noticeable than the third one for most people.

If you unchecked "Color Correction" you disabled the LUT. 😂.

LUTS stands for Look Up Tables. Basically sets of pre selected colour 'correction' or 'alteration' filters.

Ray.

@me_again

Hi Andy.

You may be in luck. I looked more closely at your second video.

The reason you could not see any difference may be down to you already seem to have had some of the effect turned off.

Screen grab from video.

[Edit] This is from my version of the test.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . You need to run four different tracks in parallel and apply the effect to each track placing each of the clips in opposing corners. . . .

This is not necessary - if you look at the last video clip I posted it has only one video object - the issue appears when the video is resized before or after adding the effect.

@me_again

Hi Andy

In this instance LUT is the abbreviation for Look Up Table not the medical abbreviation for . . . . I will let you look that one up.

A LUT is a preset colour adjustment profile and come in 2 forms - 2D and 3D, we are only concerned with 3D Luts as the 2D ones don't work in MEP/VPX (at least the ones I tried didn't for me) and they are a quick way of applying a preset colour/shading change.

In Video pro X you can create and save your own LUTs, MEP does not have this capability however you can add 3D LUTs if you drop them in the same folder where the Movie Looks ones are stored, it also helps if you add an icon image to show what the effect does.

John EB

@CubeAce

If you look at the video I posted again, just unchecking "Color Correction" still leaves "Color Correction (Angle)" and "Color Correction level" checked and operating with no real noticeable difference.

The Action entitled only "Color Correction" seems to have a sub thingy called "Center (Ma.)".and no matter what I've (quickly) tried I cannot reproduce this function other than with Template fresh.

I can only assume that it concentrates the multi effects more in the centre than at the edge? It's all too technical for me.

AndyW

@johnebaker @me_again

Hi John.

however you can add 3D LUTs if you drop them in the same folder where the Movie Looks ones are stored, it also helps if you add an icon image to show what the effect does.

So how do you add or even make an icon please? It would be useful to know for my own User Video Effects

Ray.

@johnebaker@johnebaker

Thanks for the info re LUTs. That explains a lot. You replied while I was still writing, and making a cup of tea.

Ray, I didn't turn off any effect other than "Color Correction" The effect "Color Correction (Angle) was turned off because that's what MEP did when I loaded Fresh.

@me_again

Hi Andy.

I took a third look and you are correct on your first point. Not sure about the second one. It seems to effect the whole of the visible image to me even when placed and adjusted.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . So how do you add or even make an icon please? . . . .

It is a small jpg image, depending on what it is you are creating eg Collage template, Transition or for LUT - this is an example of some of my custom collages,

they also have preview examples (wmv videos). eg

Once I get the current project finished I will do some tutorials on this - the Collages are based on this one by @terrypin

John EB

@CubeAce, @me_again

Hi

Forgot to mention the LUTs must be .cube files.

While looking for where LUTS go in MEP I noticed that the Movie Looks are actually a .cfx effect file not LUTs as I first thought.

If you get third party LUTS in cube files you need to put them in a folder LUTPresets with a sub folder LUTEffect in

C:\Users\Public\Documents\MAGIX\Common\Videocontent\Movie Edit Pro Premium\VideoEffects.

Restart MEP and they appear next to Movie Looks

John EB

@CubeAce

Erm, not exactly sure what you're getting at Ray.

Your pic 1 seems to show the video before I add "Fresh" and pic 2 seems to show after I've added "Fresh" . I agree the sky is washed out, that's the effect of using that template (LUT?).

I'm saying that just unchecking "Color Correction" does nothing effectively noticeable to the Fresh effect except allowing resizing correctly. The sky still remains washed out and the colours are still much more vibrant, the same as they were before "Color Correction" was unchecked which in turn did not allowing correct resizing.

"Color Correction" is part of a 3 tier Color correcting layer in the LUD Fresh. The other 2 seem to do the work, that one seems to b***** up resizing. I tried many different colour corrections using the various tools offered in MEP and none of them throw up "Color Correction" as a standalone check button - I stand to be corrected on that!

All I originally posted to say was, uncheck "Color Correction" - nothing else - and the effect will allow resizing without visible detriment to the effect.

I accept that there may be different circumstances when this workaround will not work to satisfactory levels, but surely it will do until a better method comes along or ideally the bug is fixed.

AndyW

@me_again

Hi Andy.

OK, I got a lot of wires crossed somewhere and your solution would seem a good workaround for anyone coming across this problem and relying purely on an nvidia card as it doesn't appear now to happen on an Intel GPU powered one or indeed on the nvidia powered one once the effect has been completed on a monitor using an Intel GPU. That should help anyone with an nvidia card only if we remember this forum thread.

If you look at Johns' initial enquiry, one would think this is an nvidia working with Direct X issue but then why does MEP remember the settings once they are implemented correctly and then display properly once a project has been saved and then re-opened regardless of which GPU is being used to display MEP?

We will probably never know.

So it seems there are at least three workarounds to this happening.

Your unchecking of Color Correction.

Not using Direct X when implementing that effect that way, and Opening the project on an Intel powered monitor

and

Doing the alteration having MEP on an Intel powered monitor before moving the project back to an nvidia powered monitor. Any subsequent opening of the project then seems to display correctly.

I suppose the only other possible check to do now if anyone has one, is to see what happens on a completely AMD based machine.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi

. . . . So it seems there are at least three workarounds to this happening. . . . .

Make it 4 Ray.

I downloaded a LUTs package (90 LUTs in 9 categories) a short while ago and installed them as I detailed above and one of them did the job to correct some video taken on a very bright overcast morning on a large river that I wanted to fix the colour balance/contrast of - LUTs they make life so much easier and they do not create multiple settings as the Movie Looks effects, as I said above they are not LUTs, as I thought, but 'combi effects'.

@browj2, @emmrecs if you are following this

Another 'Easter egg' (at least for me) I found is with previewing the Movie Looks effects, also works with LUTs, is if you select an image or video on the timeline and click the play button in the effects icon - it Previews the effect using the selected object without the need to add it to the object.

John EB

@CubeAce

So how do you add or even make an icon please? It would be useful to know for my own User Video Effects

Further to what John EB mentioned about creating icons for user effects,

Under:

C:\Users\Public\Documents\MAGIX\Common\Videocontent\Video Pro X\UserVideoEffects

create a folder called icons if there isn't one, create icons (600x600 jpg) representative of what you are doing, and add them to this folder using the same name as the effect. Look at what you have under:

C:\Users\Public\Documents\MAGIX\Common\Videocontent\Video Pro X\VideoEffects\Multi_PiP\Icons

to see how Magix does it.

If you want to get fancier and have better names than a cryptic filename show up with the icon, add in a translation_en.ini file to translate from the file name to a better name. Copy the structure from an existing translation_en.ini file. There is probably a Translation_DE.ini, so open it and save it as Translation_EN.ini with changes like in the example below.

Example:

John CB