Hi John, yep i spent some money, i looked at the 64core cpu but it was £2k more 😂

Sorry i miss-wrote, i meant 20mins, on the h264 the estimated time is very similar but it's hard to work out the difference, i know the estimated time can start high then decrease as MEP gets into the swing of things, but i've exported this project a few times in both & 25mins, 17mins, 19mins, is about the average time, still slower than Vegas & was wondering if it could be improved,

This is the same clip exported as mpeg, for some reason this is faster but still took 15mins, am i expecting to much from the software. or maybe not utilising the hardware available..?

@Former user

Hi

. . . . am i expecting to much from the software. or maybe not utilising the hardware available..? . . . . .

Looking at the export progress dialog it looks like the export is going to take about 1.25x the movie length - this is a good speed for having no Hardware Acceleration available for the 4K h.264 export.

4K export requires Hardware Acceleration capability on your system to achieve faster than real time - sadly this is missing as you do not have an Intel processor. From RTX 3090 graphs you can see that MEP is not using Hardware acceleration for video encoding. The activity on the RTX is some processing (3D graph), and decoding of the source video (Video decode graph).

The CPU is doing the encoding for h.264. For HEVC you may see activity in the Video encode graph of the RTX.

An option would be to upgrade to Video Pro X 13, which should be able to use the RTX for HWA, however I would not do this yet as it does contain some bugs which are in the process of being fixed.

HTH

John EB

Thanks, i did wonder about upgrading but will hang on for a bit. & thanks for the info, yep about 1¼ times this time, i just did the second half of this video, 40 clips @ 3840 x 2160, 14min vid exported in about 18mins, i didn't put the Task manager on as the first time i exported this it stopped at about 8mins because i checked my email, your comment above came through 😂 so i just left it alone this time, this export time is ok, i prob save time using MEP rather than Vegas just in the down time from crashing, & for my vids being able to set a 12fr crossfade to all clips & the Z, U & T keys for editing in MEP is a time saver, + the fact it hasn't crashed, it played all crossfades in the preview without pausing/stuttering & it exported what i had on the timeline 👍😊

@Former user

Hi Gid.

Also welcome back.

I don't think the program should pause or even slow down just because you are looking at email unless you are doing that via a web browser like Chrome open with a lot of other tabs open. I can open OBS Studio to record MEP without it effecting export times or browse the internet short of watching movie clips which does cause a slight slow down of the export.

Do you have Settings /Display / Graphics settings and desktop app set to Let Windows decide?

Also is your computer power and sleep mode setting set to Ultimate performance?

While those settings may not improve the overall export time they may allow you to do additional tasks without it effecting export times.

I would be interested in seeing some screen shots of the task manager on the amount of usage of both the CPU and 3090 that should both be on tick-over with those export times. I take it you are online gaming as well, hence the amount of ram.

Ray.

Hi Ray, 🙋‍♂️👍

I'm not sure why it stopped, it exported a playable clip but only 8mins long instead of 12mins & the program didn't crash, i did have the preview running while it was exported which i wouldn't have done in the past, on the timeline the blue bar across the top of the timeline was a full project length & export only selected was unticked, so don't know why it chose o just export the 8mins, 🤷‍♂️

I set it exporting the 2 parts, that first 12mins & the second 14mins in the later pics, then went to bed, this morning it looks like it's done the full 26mins no prob, 👍

I have these settings set, off to work now so i'll check in later

Nope no gaming, don't do that, i don't think there's any games on this PC, i just maxed the PC out when buying, it's got 8 ram stick ports so i put 8 ram sticks in 😂👍

Thanks 😊

I have just noticed Additional power settings, in the Related settings on the right in the pic above,

it was set at balanced

I've changed that to High performance, i'll see if that makes any difference when home 🙋‍♂️👍

@Former user

Hi Gid.

The only Vegas product I have is Movie Studio 16 which has been super stable on my machine. Second for stability and the ability to read older MEP projects is my copy of VPX 11 and least stable is my copy of Movie Edit Pro 2021. I'm not sure if even the Fusion engine version 2 is as good from some respects as the first version. There have been oddities within projects not remembering settings with things like the 'Simple Geometry' and similar template that play back just fine but upon rendering drops complete clips of video or frames from the videos.

Resulting video file is

That does not happen within my copy of VPX 11. The disk management for instance in VPX seems to get better read write speeds on a comparable section of the project than MEP 2021 does.

But again how each program including Vegas Movie Studio 16 handles each type of video export seems completely different. trying to export in VMS 16 using the nvidia NVENC HEVC export option is roughly 10% faster on my machine than using VPX but it ignores the Intel GPU and the amount of CPU usage is much much higher than exporting anything from either VPX or MEP.

Vegas

MEP 2021

VPX 11 But little CPU usage.

So I don't know how much performance gain you will have over using Vegas Pro with an AMD processor bearing in mind I'm two product releases behind with VPX.

As for the power modes. This is my setup with that.

I can get the computer to sleep fully using the sleep button on my keyboard but otherwise apart from the monitors switching off after a preset amount of time the rest of the PC does not shut down. Power consumption at idle is more than in the balanced setting but not by as much as I thought it would be. Possibly around 15 watts compared to 4 watts at idle although mileage could vary dependent on system differences.

It may also be useful to try out using or not using combinations of switching on or off hardware acceleration and the Windows power saving modes within apps. These are my current settings that seem to work best on each program. Again because you have no CPU GPU, your settings may end up different to mine.

I would be interested to see how much ram and vram a project loads when rendering on your system and how much each component is made to work.

Things may improve when Win 11 eventually matures with the new promised driver support.

As for myself I don't think I'll be doing any more updating of programs until something stable and compatible with older projects is on the table. Including upgrading to Win 11. I have a combination of programs that between them now do everything at least reliably if not exactly at the fastest pace.

Ray.

Hi & Thanks Ray 👍

Interesting that different software works better on different peoples machines, it makes getting a recommendation difficult, MEP has been the most stable i've had which is why i stuck with it for so many yrs & still revert to it when i need to, in my previous comment i mentioned that i'd set MEP to export the 2 parts, the first 12mins & the second 14mins combined to make a 26min project, then went to bed so didn't know how long it took to export, but when home from work today i watched the video as always before i uploaded it to Youtube & noticed my van no' plate in one of the shots, i normally blur or if poss crop it out for privacy, so luckily on this i could crop it but i had to export the whole 26mins again, 40mins it took! I know Vegas Pro 18 would've done it in 25mins-ish, maybe faster,

My old machine had an i7700 cpu, 64gb Hyperfury ram, Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 & a GTX 1660 Super graphics card, compared to that this new PC is a little disappointing, only a little & I am exporting 4K videos instead of the 1020 x 1080 HD i was before but the programs are about as reliable/unreliable as they were,

This machine takes about twice as long to wake up as did the old one, that one you'd turn it on, go fill the kettle, by the time you came back to the PC it had already woken n gone back into blank screen sleep 😂 This new machine is like a waking giant, put the kettle on, come back to it n the start screen with the f1/delete/Bios options is still doing it's thing,

I have a TurboCAD Platinum, about £1300 worth of program, this PC won't let me turn/view a rendered object when it's in quality render, the screen goes black for a second or two then comes back & the part has moved, quality is with the lights casting shadows, i have to manipulate it/move it in draft mode then switch back to quality render, I was hoping this super machine would be able to handle that.

saying all that tho this pc does surprise me, the Boris stuff (Continuum & Mocha Pro) works a lot better now, Particle illusion plays very well with a few emitters going at the same time & render times of that with Vegas are acceptable, the old machine you'd set it to render, look at the estimated time for a 10sec clip n think bugger that 😂 i use Mocha Pro to blur my no' plate, (I don't blur now, i give it a personalised plate because Mocha is so good 😁) that's partly what Vegas is good for, i have the Boris - Vegas OFX host plugin, so any changes & i'd have to rebuy that, some of those effects show & work in MEP but not all & a lot not at 100%,

I think maybe some of the gripes i have will be dismissed with a bit of tweaking of this machine & learnt a bit more, I'll have a closer look at the power modes, i didn't have a lot of time this morning, the 40min export i did was this evening tho after i'd set it to High performance,

I'm not 100% sure what you mean when you say 'I would be interested to see how much ram and vram a project loads when rendering on your system and how much each component is made to work.', ? I'm presuming you're ref to something other than what the task manager shows?

Windows 11, 🤔 not sure i'm looking forward to that, Windows 10 screwed up a lot of my software & i had to upgrade a lot 😕🙄

I'm uploading to YT right now but when done i'll play around with things n see

@Former user

Hi Gid.

The graphs show pretty much as I expected but I have a busy work day today. I will be free around 7:30 pm and give a much detailed reply with a more detailed explanation as to what I think is going on. The analysis report on your system doesn't surprise me too much. I have a few ideas on that as well. In the mean time if you get time look at the Task manager while exporting a project via Vegas to compare differences.

One thing you can change for now is the following.

Ray.

@Former user

Hi

From what you have said about the new PC boot up time this sounds like it is not configured properly - was it a custom build or stock model, from a computer supplier/shop - online or in town?

The TurboCAD issue suggests the drivers installed for the RTX are gaming drivers - the Nvidia Studio drivers are designed for CAD/Video/Image work.

John EB

@Former user

Hi

From what you have said about the new PC boot up time this sounds like it is not configured properly - was it a custom build or stock model, from a computer supplier/shop - online or in town?

The TurboCAD issue suggests the drivers installed for the RTX are gaming drivers - the Nvidia Studio drivers are designed for CAD/Video/Image work.

John EB

Hi, it was from a company called CCL Computers, they put it together for me & the driver i use on the Graphics is the Studio driver, It was similar on the 1660 Super card i had in the old machine that i researched & ran some tests on, https://www.cclonline.com/

Hi, I've got a busy day too, but this what my Task manager shows at the moment just with Chrome open when put at that setting, no little graphs,

I'll see what it's like later when back home & i can get MEP exporting 👍

@Former user

Hi

I know CCL they have a good reputation.

The Performance setting is a dynamic one - you will see nothing happen until you start to put the computer under load eg exporting 4K HEVC. It would be interesting to see how many cores get used on this.

John EB

@Former user @johnebaker

Hi Gid.

Is anything helping at all?

The boot time problem could be down to the amount of ram on the motherboard if it self checks the ram each time it boots. My motherboard has a self check switch which once set up should be set to the off position unless it plays up. Check your manual and the switch on the motherboard if there is one and make sure it is off. I timed my boot-up time to 20 seconds. Even that feels like a lifetime.

Disable ASUS Crate from the startup menu if it is there. It's not really needed and in my opinion a hateful bit of software. Gave me no end of trouble. If disabling mucks up the running of the PC then re-enable it. I've wiped it from my system. I've also got rid of any of the audio virtual software such as the virtual studio and gaming audio programs. Although the audio chip supports 32 bit 196kHz set everything up to no more than 24 bit 48kHz. For some reason anything above that was causing me problems with any of the Magix programs. check all input and output settings.

Make sure all program folders are added to the Do not scan exceptions folders of your anti Virus and Windows defender if they are not already.

Your OFX effects rely heavily on CPU power and amount of motherboard ram. I only have one Boris Effect and it eats memory for breakfast often almost maxing out my meager 32GB of ram and 4GB of vram. Even when it doesn't seem to use the nvidia card GPU itself.

For some reason MEP and VPX never seem to max out CPU usage until you try exporting 8K video whereas Vegas seems to handle the CPU usage to a more extreme degree regardless of export setting.

It would be good to see how many of your cores get used in each program depending on what it is handling at the time and whether even half of your ram ever gets pushed into service. With Vegas and using Boris Effects I would think it could but doubt if it would in either MEP or VPX. Some of the effects you use can slow down rendering a lot.

Ray.

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