MEPP Interface

rickduley wrote on 3/2/2022, 9:34 PM

I have discussed the MEPP Interface before -Removed by Moderator

 

Here is a classic example of what I was talking about.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!ArMxdUYEh9fKwB82trKJ7HtDXlMl?e=JyEbr4

 

Here I am cutting "The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring" to DVD.  It's only 2:45 worth of movie and the process has been going for  nearly three hours.  It still has nearly 28 hrs to go.  That's a little excessive, don't you think?

 

Also you might note in the BRH Corner an icon with a red circle around it.  That's Task Manager telling me that only about 30% of the CPU is being used.  Tell me, why is MEPP not using up the available 70% of CPU to speed up the job?

 

Finally, this is the full screen here.  How am I supposed to access files and apps on my desktop with your interface sitting all over it?  Why cannot I minimize your interface and get on with my job?

 

Just thought you'd like to see!

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CubeAce wrote on 3/3/2022, 1:57 AM

@rickduley

Here I am cutting "The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring" to DVD.  It's only 2:45 worth of movie and the process has been going for  nearly three hours.  It still has nearly 28 hrs to go.  That's a little excessive, don't you think?

Also you might note in the BRH Corner an icon with a red circle around it.  That's Task Manager telling me that only about 30% of the CPU is being used.  Tell me, why is MEPP not using up the available 70% of CPU to speed up the job?

Hi Rick.

If you have used Task Manager to see what is going on you may have noticed that one core is often running at full speed while the others seemingly sit idling.

Each 'core' would be a given a separate task to do with the most intensive task normally give over to core 0, which is the most capable core within the CPU. That could be say, Video encoding, The other cores with less to do will sit around waiting their turn to add what is needed so everything gets laid down in order ready to be used as needed.

That is oversimplification and some cores can be designed differently to other cores to perform different tasks more efficiently.

This is where an internal Intel GPU as well as the addition of a third party GPU that can be used by the program would come into play as their cores do specific things like video encoding and decoding much quicker than a CPU can do and freeing up the CPU to do other tasks. Depending on the amount of tasks, and which tasks are being performed will depend on how hard the other cores work.

In this instance the CPU load during one of my exports. The more cores, the more distribution of tasks there is but that only means you can do more tasks while waiting for a project to render.

Dedicated GPU taking over encoding and decoding duties as well as some 3D graphics calculations.

That all happens dynamically depending on what was required at that point within the playback or export of a project.

All of the above images were taken at various stages of an export rendering of a project.

Finally, the newer the program, the more it is going to rely on, and be programmed for, the newer components.

Faster memory and drives, more express lanes running in parallel. More performance cores on the CPU coupled with more dedicated graphic memory and shorter circuit pathways with higher clock speeds on the CPU, GPUs, and ram.

A new program on an old machine is just not going to perform as well as running an older program on it that has less editing options to offer.

Finally, this is the full screen here.  How am I supposed to access files and apps on my desktop with your interface sitting all over it?  Why cannot I minimize your interface and get on with my job?

All of MEP and VPX can be resized if needed. just by grabbing each section at the corners and resizing each 'box', including the main program area. Most of us are using more than one screen although the Import section only has to be pointed to the relevant disk space to show the files contained there and shown in the import area. You do not have to drag files from the desk top but directly from the files' location.

Having files placed on the C: drive as well as the operating system will slow down the process of editing and exporting even further as the program has to hunt back and forth as data gets read and written to that disc during the export and playback processes.

Ray.

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johnebaker wrote on 3/3/2022, 3:01 AM

Hi Rick

Is your post supposed to be a response to Magix Supports reply to the ticket your raised - if so reply to the email response you received.

From your computer specs MEP is relying entirely on the CPU and is going to be slow encoding - I do believe we have discussed this before - the processor has no support GPU and the Quadro .

From the image you have posted on One Drive , the long time for encoding would suggest that you have a stray object, it could as little as 1 frame, on the timeline with a lot of blank space between what you currently see.

Assuming you have removed the section of the clip before and after the segment you require, position the timeline cursor at the beginning and then press the End key on your keyboard - this will position the cursor at what MEP believes to be the end of the movie, if there is blank space delete by setting a range from the end of the video segment you require and the end of the movie and then press Alt + Delete.

. . . . Finally, this is the full screen here.  How am I supposed to access files and apps on my desktop with your interface sitting all over it? . . . .

This is because you have a Modal dialog box open that requires closing before you can do anything else - this is by design to prevent multiple openings of the same dialog.

While any program is running full screen you can use Alt+ Tab key combination to cycle through all currently open program Windows and the Desktop.

An alternative method to get to the desktop is to use the unmarked right edge, a very narrow section, of the bottom toolbar where you can click to go directly to it - see image below

 

HTH

John EB

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rickduley wrote on 3/3/2022, 5:47 AM

Thanks for the explanation, CubeAce, but the point I was trying to make is that programs can be written to run at a lower-than-normal priority level and to use any CPU power (whichever Core) unused by higher-priority programs. The effect is that all Cores are fully employed at all times whilst the running of the high-priority programs is unaffected. Doing what I was doing in the illustration is a perfect scenario for such program design.

BTW: if you run such a program on a 1992 80286 computer it will just fully utilize the one core. 😉

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rickduley wrote on 3/3/2022, 5:51 AM

Hi Rick

Is your post supposed to be a response to Magix Supports reply to the ticket your raised - if so reply to the email response you received.

I did reply to the ticket and was told succinctly to reply here!

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While any program is running full screen you can use Alt+ Tab key combination to cycle through all currently open program Windows and the Desktop.

An alternative method to get to the desktop is to use the unmarked right edge, a very narrow section, of the bottom toolbar where you can click to go directly to it - see image below

Two really neat tricks I had never heard about. Thanks John.

 

 

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My machine is Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8500 CPU @ 3.00GHz   3.00 GHz; 64-bit operating system, x64-based processor
Edition    Windows 11 Pro; Version    22H2
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Experience    Windows Feature Experience Pack 1000.22688.1000.0