Thanks Ray - I was wondering what that option did. Just to let you know what I'm doing: kind of a "one man band" music video, where I'm playing (and video taping) four different instruments - so I end up with four different videos that I'm trying to sync. Usually I can do a pretty good job by listening to the drums - I can hear a slight delay when I'm out of sync. But I'm always looking for a way to get it perfect. I'll give it a try and let you know how it works out.

Thanks, Harry D.

@hdrechsel18 @CubeAce

I'd be very careful using that method: it will desync the audio from it's video object.

You do need a Nudge tool which, as far as I am aware, MEP doesn't have, unfortunately. I would be a great feature. All you can do is zoom in further so that dragging objects with the mouse is more accurate.

@hdrechsel18 @AAProds

Hi Harry.

Alwyn's reply made me reread your inquiry. The tool I mention does indeed nudge the audio back and forth but to the video it is attached to. Alwyn has made me realise you need to adjust frames of video to each other and Alwyn is correct. You can only zoom into the track layout and adjust frames manually. Don't worry if you have got a file out of sync. Just delete the file from the timeline Save the project and then re-import the clip. All editing is non destructive although sometimes MEP will remember an old instruction than can be corrected by deleting the HDP file in the project folder with MEP closed and then reopening the project. A new HDP file should at that point be recreated and the file should re-import correctly.

Ray.

Thanks guys - I tried the offset method and saw where it only affected the audio attached to the clip - which isn't what I wanted. Oh well..."nudge" would have been nice, but I'm getting pretty good at the zoom & move method. Just wondered if there were a feature I'm missing. Good thing to know about the HDP file.

Thanks again. Harry D.

@hdrechsel18 @CubeAce @AAProds

Hi,

MEP and VPX do indeed have a nudge tool amongst other uses; it's the Object Editor - Shift+N or right click on a video object. Use the left right arrows below the Object Content area, just above the timer showing the beginning time of the object.

John CB

@browj2 @hdrechsel18 @browj2

Of course! The object trimmer. I also note that Magix has fixed the fade button bug.

@AAProds @browj2 @hdrechsel18

Hi John.

Would that also move the beginning and end of the clip or would one end disappear by the amount of frames moved?

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

No, the bottom left arrows trim the left end, the bottom right arrows trim the right end, hence the name Object Trimmer. The behaviour changes slightly depending on whether or not the selected object or the object to the left or right has been trimmed.

If the selected object has a left trim but the object to its left has not, pressing on the bottom left, left arrow, will untrim the selected object and create a cross-fade - the program assumes that if you didn't previously trim the left object, you don't want to.

If the selected object has a left trim and so does the object to its left, then pressing on the bottom left, left arrow, will untrim the selected object and trim the left object.

The bottom right arrows also have some peculiarities.

Note that the left and right images show the frames, so you can easily see what you're doing. If the selected object has been trimmed, you can slide the contents left and right within the length of the selected object.

The Edit Trimmer is different and is for transitions. The bottom left arrow set adjusts the right end of the left clip of the transition, the bottom right arrow set adjusts the left end of the right hand object of the transition. This trimmer will allow you to modify the transition duration, slide the transition left and right, and adjust the left and right objects without touching other objects on the timeline. There is one mode that does affect other objects and that is the lower middle arrow set that slides the right object left and right.

John CB

@browj2 @hdrechsel18

Thank you for the clarification John.

So I have up till now adjusted clips to be in sync manually when I have needed to. An instance was while using Hide. To get a clip to smoothly transition from normal to a ghost image I ran the altered Hide clip with the original clip and synchronized the clips manually on the fade of the added and lower track where I could see both clips overlaid more easily. How would that become easier using the trim tool?

I do find it easier having two screens to work from and being able to have the video show full screen.

Ray.

Thanks John; I tried the Object Trimmer - the problem is, that it only shifts the video and not the audio in the object. Since I'm trying to sync the audio on one clip with the audio on another (below it), unless there's a way to shift the entire object (audio & video), this doesn't help. Otherwise, learning more about the Trimmer has me thinking. Harry D.

@hdrechsel18 It does move the audio... eventually! You'll find the audio jumps to re-align with the video when you click OK or something else.

Having played with it (I've only ever used the object trimmer for accurately setting the fades, I find it a bit of a "cludge", as some would say. It's just as easy to zoom in and drag the objects as required.

Thanks AA. Looks like the "zoom & drag" method is best suited. Usually I need only minute moves, whereas the Trimmer seems to move it too far anyway. With my current project, I am working with four videos (different instruments), and one .WAV file (my studio audio mix). The audio on the videos is just scratch audio from the camera, in order to sync the performances. I'm usually able to get this if not right on, close enough where the minute difference is not heard. I have to verify that what I'm hearing makes sense with what I'm seeing lol (I watch my fingers move). The four videos then get rendered as my master video (using only one of the audio files for reference), and I then sync this with my .WAV file for the final production. Always looking for shortcuts, and there's so much more to MEP that I haven't explored yet - so I thank this forum for their help and patience.

Thanks, Harry D.

@hdrechsel18

Hi Harry,

The trimmer will move the object in 1 frame increments (usually). Try grouping the audio file that you want to move with the video. The Object trimmer will move both together.

I think that you want to adjust the audio clips to within a frame (1/25 second in PAL land). This cannot be done with MEP, only with VPX.

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn,

The trimmer is a kludge only if you don't have a good feeling as to how it works. I rarely use it for trimming, preferring moving the playback marker to the frame that I want to trim to using the inner wheel of my Shuttle Pro V2 - 1 frame increments, then a trim beginning or ending, again using my Shuttle Pro V2.

I do like the Edit Trimmer for its ability to adjust clips without moving other objects.

John CB

John CB