Review showing VP X renderings different than PP

randy-skillin wrote on 11/2/2017, 5:26 PM

At the end of the video it shows side by side clips rendered in VP X and PP with the VP X clips being much lighter than the ones rendered in PP; often with the whites blown out. Can this be true?

I would ask the author of the piece but for some reason I can't get my question to stay in the comment section at the end of the review.

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Scenestealer wrote on 11/2/2017, 5:47 PM

Hi

rendered in VP X and PP with the VP X clips being much lighter than the ones rendered in PP

Don't you mean VP15, not VPX which is a different program. If so VP15 has its own forum.

As for the comparison in that video....I can not imagine what it is trying to demonstrate as clearly different effects have been applied in each program.

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johnebaker wrote on 11/2/2017, 6:19 PM

Hi

IMHO, the comparison is meaningless because we do not know if he is comparing like for like ie -

  • What the export settings for PP were
     
  • Whether the extra effects mentioned for PP were used on the video exported from PP - these were, if I heard correctly, 'replaced' with the nearest equivalents in VP.
     
  • Was the PP export done on a MAC or Windows computer

IMO the PP videos were distinctly 'muddy', of lower contrast, and/or of poor colour saturation - this I have seen before on video from PP exported using the h.264 codec - this has been a regular issue for several years..

BTW - the link you provided links back to this topic and not the review video.

John EB

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randy-skillin wrote on 11/2/2017, 8:34 PM

The reason I ask is because I am working on a project that has a lot of old prints on antique paper in it. I tweak the images to get it just right in Photoshop and then when I render it out in Vegas, the paper is blown out -- looks terrible.

BTW - don't know what the issue is with the link. I tried changing it a half dozen time and it keeps going back to this page.

 

johnebaker wrote on 11/3/2017, 3:44 AM

Hi

Are the photos you posted the originals or the Photoshop adjusted versions?

When adjusting in Photoshop are you doing this visually or 'by the numbers'?

Is your monitor(s) colour calibrated ie do you check/colour profile it/them with something like a ColorMunki ?

How do look on your computer - it was made from the three images you posted with no adjustments using Vegas Pro and rendered as Sony AVC/MVC MP4 1920x1080 25fps with no modification to the render profile.

On my system the video and images colours, saturation and contrast are virtually identical, the first image is a fraction lighter than the original, however you can only see this when they are compared side by side - both my monitors are colour calibrated using ColorMunki.

HTH

John EB

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

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randy-skillin wrote on 11/3/2017, 9:33 AM

Thank you John for making the video. I would very much like to view it, however, the link does not work, could you please post the address so I can manually follow it.

I do Photoshop by eye and my monitor is nothing special. However I am upgrading my entire system; building a new system based on Max Yuryev's "8K Video Editing BEAST! - 16 Core ThreadRipper for Premiere Pro and Resolve" (I am not linking to the YouTube video because links don't seem to work on this site) and getting a new monitor. I have all the parts for the computer but have not yet ordered the monitor. Am considering the 4k Dell 27” P2715Q because of Caleb Pike's recommendation on DSLR Video Shooter. Do you have an opinion on monitors?

johnebaker wrote on 11/3/2017, 12:25 PM

Hi

. . . . however, the link does not work . . . .

How odd the link was working when I posted it and it still shows the correct link colour, however there is no URL behind it !

Here is the URL :

I would suggest you download the video and use the player of your choice rather than relying on the browser player.

. . . . I do Photoshop by eye and my monitor is nothing special. . . . .

That is what I suspected - try using the histograms in PS when adjusting images, they will show you if the paper blow out you are experiencing is being introduced there - the first image of the three above does , IMO, exhibit a white point that is too high for video - it is maxed out on the red and green channels and the blue is close to being maxed out.

. . . . Do you have an opinion on monitors? . . .

For working with images and video they should be colour calibrated - I use the Color Munki Smile.

Large hi-res monitors can cause issues with:

  1. text and icons too small to be readable
  2. they have to be further away to see the whole screen properly, compounding item 1,
  3. potential health issues related to item 1.

HTH

John EB

 

 

 

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

randy-skillin wrote on 11/3/2017, 1:34 PM

Thanks John, I think it looks great. The text size is something I worry about with a 4k monitor, which is why I have not ordered one yet.

Scenestealer wrote on 11/3/2017, 3:32 PM

Hi

However I am upgrading my entire system; building a new system based on Max Yuryev's "8K Video Editing BEAST! - 16 Core ThreadRipper for Premiere Pro and Resolve"

Just be aware that you will not get any GPU acceleration for export encoding in VPX if you go with the AMD CPU's. A discreet Graphics card will however give you some timeline preview acceleration and rendering of effects HWA but there is no benefit from anymore than a midrange card.

Ss

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browj2 wrote on 11/4/2017, 10:39 AM

Hi,

@randy-skillin

Could you please confirm that you are using VPX and not Vegas Pro?

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randy-skillin wrote on 11/5/2017, 10:36 AM

I was using Vegas Pro 14. I have not rendered out any thing like the samples I posted above with the new Vegas yet.

emmrecs wrote on 11/6/2017, 3:29 AM

I was using Vegas Pro 14

Hence, browj2's question to you. This is the forum for Magix original video products; the forum for the video products, formerly owned by Sony and now owned by Magix, is here. Perhaps you need to post your observations there?

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