Ryzen 2xxx Performance

Craig-Bradshaw wrote on 12/27/2018, 9:19 AM

Hi all ,

 

I've been using an old 3770k Intel chip for exporting my Wife's videos for her business up until my new PC build in the last month. This new build is based on a Ryzen 2600x chip. It seems that a 30 minute mp4 output now takes 3+hours whereas on an Intel chip it took just 45-60mins. Now the Ryzen chip is superior in many other ways (demonstrably so) and such I can only hazard that there is something allowing Intel to run much much faster.

 

Thoughts? If I can't sort this in going to have to use a more modern application that can handle Ryzen.

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johnebaker wrote on 12/27/2018, 9:56 AM

@Craig-Bradshaw

Hi

. . . . This new build is based on a Ryzen 2600x chip. It seems that a 30 minute mp4 output now takes 3+hours whereas on an Intel chip it took just 45-60mins. . . . .

Without knowing the version of Movie Edit Pro (MEP) the full computer specification for both the old and new PC, see this topic for what is required, an educated guess would be you have no GPU Hardware Acceleration (HWA) on the new PC.

The Ryzen does not support HWA and if you have a modern NVidia graphics card eg a 10xx series neither does this except for HEVC/h.265 video.

. . . . Now the Ryzen chip is superior in many other ways . . . .

IMHO, if you are not into gaming, you would have been better off with an Intel i7 8700 based PC, the performance is better than the Ryzen and you would have GPU acceleration.

. . . . I can only hazard that there is something allowing Intel to run much much faster . . .

An educated guess would be the old PC had an NVidia or AMD (Radeon) graphics card which was capable of HWA through CUDA - this is not possible for many new NVidia cards as NVidia removed the required codec NCUVID in favour of the newer NVENC from the drivers several years ago.

HTH

John EB

 

 

 

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Craig-Bradshaw wrote on 12/27/2018, 10:23 AM

Hi John,

Thanks for replying. I understand you have had to make a lot of assumptions here based on the limited information I gave you. Allow me to rectify this.

Old PC:

  • I7 3770K OC'ed to 4.2Ghz
  • 16GB RAM
  • Geforce GTX 970

New PC:

  • Ryzen 2600x (boosts to 4.1Ghz)
  • 16GB DDR4 RAM
  • Geforce RTX 2070

Both machines ran latest Windows 10, both on similar speed SSD (within a few theoretical MBps read/write) and both have MEP 16.0.4.124. Both installs were using "calculate effects on GPU" ticked, and using the Main Concept MPEG-4 codec (although tried with both).

Granted, Ryzen 2600X has no iGPU, which I'm led to believe is a big deal for MEP, however surely I can utilise the power of my 2070 (as in almost all other pieces of software of this nature) to offset some of the performance requirements?

Regarding your opinion on the build, I game, and render, hence why I chose a more workmanlike chip, rather than a pure single core beast like the 87xx chips. This was more bang for my buck.

 

Are there any settings I can fiddle with in order to see if I can improve the export times? I downloaded Davinci Resolve, just to test, and that same movie, exported with the same bitrate/resolution and format/container, completed in 35 minutes....this shows off why I should be happier with Ryzen (and am in every other way other than within MEP).

 

What am I missing or is the software simply tinted Blue rather than Red (fine if it is, I'll stop wasting my time :) )

 

yvon-robert wrote on 12/27/2018, 10:24 AM

Hi,

copy your file on USB memory that is faster or go to flea market and find an i3 or i5 or i7 computer to replace your slow machine.

Regards,

YR

CubeAce wrote on 12/27/2018, 10:34 AM

AMD chips are great for gaming and playing video games but you may find it difficult to find a video editing package that works well with them. You could try adding a decent Nvidia or Radeon graphics card that will do the hard encoding for you if you want it to run faster. I would look up if your CPU has a dedicated graphics chip built in. If not, you may be able to do cloud editing with something like Photoshop. I'm guessing that like me you are having to rely on the software encoding within MEP which is somewhat slower.

Trying to find information on the Ryzen 2600x shows up here. https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-5-2600x which they seem to have compared to an i5 processor. I can find no direct information on it's video encoding capabilities although the info given seems to hint at the need for a dedicated graphics card.

[Edit] In the time it took me to look up your chip it seems several conversations have happened with added information. Again, look at the specs within MEP for compatable graphics cards that will work with your motherboard.

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Craig-Bradshaw wrote on 12/27/2018, 10:51 AM

Hi all,

 

Thank you all for your replies (apart from @yvon-robert - I believe you belong on Reddit sir)

 

I think some of the information I've provided shouldn't be overlooked. I've tried Davinci Resolve; a respected open source video editing platform and the Ryzen chip performs wonderfully. I've spoken to my colleague who also edits for my own site, and he also has a Ryzen chip and uses Premiere; again, great performance.

 

I'm left with the fact that I either believe people who are telling me something I know to be incorrect (namely that the Ryzen 2600X is 'slow' ) or I seek a yes or no as to whether MEP is actually more aligned to Intel systems than Ryzen. If it's the later, as I suspect, I'm simply seeking clarification of that point, not wishing to belittle the application. These things happen. The reason I asked the question is I have first and second hand information that Ryzen is performing as I'd expect, and should be a significant jump over a 3rd generation Intel chip (again, which it is in all other areas of my testing, save exporting video files from MEP).

 

Thoughts?

johnebaker wrote on 12/27/2018, 12:37 PM

@Craig-Bradshaw

Hi

. . . . exported with the same bitrate/resolution and format/container, completed in 35 minutes . . . .

Without knowing the source video format/resolution, editing/effects applied to said source video and the export format/settings rendering comparisons are somewhat meaningless.

. . . . namely that the Ryzen 2600X is 'slow' . . .

No one has said it is slow - it is the combination of the Ryzen + 2060 X that gives you no HWA that is making the rendering slow.

HTH

John EB

 

 

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Craig-Bradshaw wrote on 12/27/2018, 1:29 PM

@Craig-Bradshaw

Hi

. . . . exported with the same bitrate/resolution and format/container, completed in 35 minutes . . . .

Without knowing the source video format/resolution, editing/effects applied to said source video and the export format/settings rendering comparisons are somewhat meaningless.

. . . . namely that the Ryzen 2600X is 'slow' . . .

No one has said it is slow - it is the combination of the Ryzen + 2060 X that gives you no HWA that is making the rendering slow.

HTH

John EB

 

 

Hello John

So I suppose what I'm wondering about is why other software packages don't solely rely on a CPU with integrated GPU in order to render fast. In fact most systems have discreet cards now so surly Magix are a little behind here?

 

Is clear there is going to be no admission here of that but I have asked if there are any general settings that might help an individual like myself overcome this iGPU limitation in the short term or do I need to switch to another product?

 

johnebaker wrote on 12/27/2018, 2:30 PM

@Craig-Bradshaw

Hi

Perhaps I did not make it clear, IMO, with the current set-up, Ryzen / 2060X, there is nothing that can be done to speed up the rendering.

There are 2 options you could try however neither may be satisfactory for the reasons given:

  1. borrow the AMD Radeon equivalent to the 2060 X and test that, however this could mess with your gaming.
     
  2. switch to HEVC / h.265 * export, however this would require you upgrading the Video Pro X and HEVC / h.265 is not widely supported at the moment.

* AFAICS MEP does not support HEVC / h.265 on NVidia cards yet.

John EB

 

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yvon-robert wrote on 12/27/2018, 2:50 PM

Hi,

the main problem Magix focus only on cpu performance on Intel technology forgetting Cuda and OpenGL technology because nobody inside the company can program in this new technology. The best if you not like Magix video dl use DaVinci Resolve 15 with a good graphic with at leat 1 or 2 gig internal memory. Use the free version and check over YouTube for training. In Magix you cannot use material acceleration on the video card.

Regards,

YR

Craig-Bradshaw wrote on 12/27/2018, 2:58 PM

Thanks for your comments .

 

I'm stuck with using DaVinvi Resolve it seems.

yvon-robert wrote on 12/27/2018, 3:29 PM

Hi,

to use DaVinci is a good advice to view basic video on YouTube limiting to create something easy like video, title, basic effect and export. Dont try to use fusion and node just the basic, no more.

Regards,

YR

Craig-Bradshaw wrote on 12/27/2018, 3:51 PM

I'm already versed in DaVinci... I was hoping MEP could continue to be my application of choice. Sadly I might have to look at Premiere for more advanced features.

yvon-robert wrote on 12/27/2018, 5:36 PM

Hi,

some specialist prediction that Premiere Pro is out with DaVinci Resolve 15 ( RIP PREMIERE ) the main reason with DaVinci you replace 2 major Adobe program and cost nothing. For professional video shop is a bargain and save a lot of money each month time or day after day Premiere loose ground.

Regards,

YR