Unexpected result of a deletion

johnebaker wrote on 4/28/2017, 10:28 AM

Hi Terry

If you caught my first post I misread your mouse mode.

I cannot replicate this in 2016 or Premium, however I have seen this happen before - try using Single object mode to see if does the same as well.

John EB

browj2 wrote on 4/28/2017, 11:14 AM

Hi Terry,

It was easy to replicate in MEP2019 Premium. I noticed that further along there is a video clip with audio on track 2 and the two are grouped as normal. You ungrouped the audio from the selected A/V clip and then with Mouse mode for single track, you deleted the ungrouped audio clip. Since you are in mouse mode 8, everything to the right wants to move to the left. Since the audio to the right which is still grouped with the video want to move to the left, it drags the video part along with it, resulting in your problem.

As John EB indicated, use single object mouse mode 6 and it will work fine.

In my tutorial on this which has not been approved yet (by a Moderator) which you have seen on YT, I believe, I tried to show that there were some unintended consequences to moving and deleting things, depending on the mouse mode. However, I did not cover this one as I have not gotten to the point yet of having A/V on two tracks. I probably should have, but then the tutorial was already long enough.

Also, I learned a new one from John EB in the other thread - Alt+Del to get rid of the strange occurrence of a movie length extending beyond the last object, and to delete a range. John, you should post that video as a tutorial. Even with that, strange things can happen. If there is a separate audio track, or objects on other tracks, they get trimmed, irrespective of the mouse mode.

johnebaker wrote on 4/28/2017, 11:40 AM

Hi John CB

. . . . in MEP2019 Premium . . .

You must working on 'Back to the Future IV - the lost years' 😆

. . . . I noticed that further along there is a video clip with audio on track 2 . . .

That was it - I knew I had seen it before.

. . . . Even with that, strange things can happen. If there is a separate audio track, or objects on other tracks, they get trimmed, irrespective of the mouse mode. . . . .

That is very true - using Range delete only works with a totally blank section.

John EB

browj2 wrote on 4/28/2017, 12:33 PM

Oops, upside down 6.

terrypin wrote on 4/28/2017, 1:13 PM

Thanks both, understood.

Because of that very unpredictability, I'm getting into the habit of tapping 1, 2 or 3 on my numerical keypad before I do just about anything on objects with the mouse! Helpfully close to my mouse hand, they activate the respective mouse modes: single, track, all tracks. Still getting surprised occasionally though, as in this case.

browj2 wrote on 4/28/2017, 1:38 PM

Hi Terry,

Yes, those 6, 7, and 8 that you have remapped to 1, 2, 3 are often a problem. I should have made up a table when I did the tutorials of the different unintended consequences of using the importing and editing commands. Then I would have to add in the additional ones like changing photo lengths and transition lengths, and the idiosyncrasies of the Object and Edit Trimmers. I messed up my (still to be completed to get to 99% from 98% - a project is never 100%) Mozambique video several times by moving, resizing, changing transition lengths, object lengths, etc., near the beginning. Much further along, I had objects on several tracks that all went out of sync from each other. I ended up grouping many of them - that caused other problems.

In one tutorial, I managed to get audio objects on track 2 misaligned from the video, even though they were still grouped. I never did figure out what went wrong.