Hi Ray,

Thank you for checking on your system.

It does not work on video, but it shows up on a single audio file on mine. You can choose a path to an audio editor in the settings:

Default it points at the Magix audio editor that is installed in the VPX program folder. I assumed you can change that to another editor. Strange that Movie Edit Pro supports this and VPX does not, since VPX is the more 'pro' program?

Kind regards, Michel

@michel-v

Hi Michel.

Thank you for the additional info. I opened a new project and imported a wav file only.

You are correct. The option to edit externally is now there. I'm new to VPX, but have MEP as well.

The difference seems to be MEP can open the audio from a video file as well. As you say, strange.

In theory you should be able to open the file in a different editor. Unfortunately I don't have Soundforge to try out.

I'm wondering if the problem is down to maybe Soundforge needing to create a project first before it could place it within itself. I think Cubase would need to do that. WaveLab on the other hand doesn't so I've no idea why that shouldn't work unless WaveLab is not using vst3. I'm pretty sure MEP and VPX are vst 3 dependant.

Ray.

Hi Ray,

Thanks for checking. It gets even weirder. I installed an old copy of Magix Audio Cleaning Lab. When I set that as preferred editor, I can now also open the audiopart of a .mts video file, which did not work with the Magix Music Editor. I don't understand why these differences occur, but with this option I can tackle audio problems from within Video Pro X (like reducing wind noise). It seems Soundforge and Wavelab cannot handle the pointer files Video Pro X makes as it seems they try to open that file instead of the original audio file. Maybe Music Editor cannot separate audio from a video file and Audio Cleaning Lab can.

Kind regards, Michel

@michel-v

Hi Michel.

That is odd. I'm betting at some point someone else will be able to add to this discussion and maybe come up with an explanation. Not being able to use an external audio editor for video files for me could be a problem.

Glad you have a solution for you though. Even the VPX manual doesn't go into this.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

We covered this before, more than once, in detail. I told you to not use proxies when you tried right-click on the audio part. Not using proxies, with one exception, any external editor that I have tried (all Magix), nothing shows up when right-clicking on the audio part of an AV object. The only external editor that causes right-click Edit wave externally to show up is Magix Audio & Cleaning Lab Premium. See #2 on the bug list. Open the associated link to the YT file and please, please watch it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xbfrsjyg1cvn0ns/VPX%2011-12%20BUG%20LIST%20r14.pdf?dl=0

@michel-v

Hi Michel,

See also the bug list and the video. This has not been resolved. You will see that, as you found, only one program causes Edit Wave Externally to show up with a right-click on the audio part of an AV object.

To be able to edit the audio with anything else, it first has to be mixed down using Shift+D. To isolate just a part or one object, use a range, and if there is audio on more than one track within the range, solo the track with the audio to be mixed down. This creates a wave file and saves it where you want. The wave shows up as a red object and the original sound disappears (it can be recovered with right click, Restore Audio on the video object).

Are you using VPX11 or 12 and which version? See under Help, About.

I presume that you are using VPX12 as Soundforge Pro 11 worked for me in VPX11, I think.

There are three additional problems not mentioned.

1. In some of the editors, including ME3, the waveform did not show up the first time the audio was opened. It took a second opening to get the waveform to show.

2. The wave file cannot be opened a second time unless one restarts the VPX; the file is blocked and a message pops up that the file is in use by another program.

I see that with VPX12, one can now reopen the file if ME3 is the external editor and I get the waveform to show up the second time.

3. With VPX12 and MEP2021 with Soundforge Pro 11 as the external audio editor, I get the same message that you get.

This seems to have been introduced in VPX12 as I am sure that I tested this in VPX11 and did not have the problem.

There is no problem with any of the other Magix editors that I tried, including Sound Forge Audio Studio 12 (64bit) (waveform showed up the first time), except that the Edit Wave Externally does not show up with a right-click on an AV object (except for proxies).

So, these need to be added to the bug list and Magix advised:

• Sound Forge Pro gives an error when used as the external audio editor;
• The waveform does not always show up in the external audio editor;
• The audio object should be accessible to be reopened within the same session;
• Reopening the object should cause a type of mixdown - the wave file should be replaced with a copy so that the previous version is saved and not overwritten. This actually happens with Audio & Music Lab Premium as the external editor.

John CB

@browj2 @michel-v

Hi John.

Who didn't look at both my images.

Neither used proxy files.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

In your first image showing VPX11 and the two dropdown menus, I can see that you did not use proxy files in VPX, but there is no way to know what is on your timeline in MEP, what you right-clicked on, which version or which program is in the Program Settings for the external audio editor.

In your other post showing MEP, you have right-clicked on a wave file, so of course Edit Wave Externally shows up. Try right-clicking on the audio part of an AV object in MEP2020 or 2021 with ME3 as the external audio editor.

John CB

Thank you both for your help. Hope that Magix will fix this in a future update. Kind regards, Michel

@browj2

Sorry John.

You are correct. I had accidentally selected a proxy file from a MEP project in that image that skewered my findings. I thought I had opened a project with no proxy files. Stupid mistake.

Ray.

It's designed to round trip with MAGIX Audio Cleaning Lab and MAGIX Video Audio Cleaning Lab, not Sound Forge Pro. If you have those, they all use the same Wave Project Files (identical to Samplitude/Sequoia).

MAGIX used to have something called Media X-Change that they used to round trip between their programs. The programs used the same sub-project formats to facilitate this.