Windows 11 upgrade

CubeAce wrote on 7/9/2021, 2:24 AM

Hi Ted and welcome to the user to user forums.

As such you are not likely to be getting an answer from any magix staff here I suspect as they rarely ever show their presence beyond announcements of updates or new program versions.

The Microsoft website says any program designed to work with Windows 10 should work with Windows 11 although some older peripherals may not such as printers etc. There will be no 32 bit version of Windows 11 although you will be able to run 32 bit programs through the use of the WoW64.

There is still a lot of discussion going on about the listed minimum requirements for Win 11 that so far include

CPU: 1-GHz or faster with 2 or more cores on a 64-bit processor.

4GB of RAM

64GB of storage

UEFI BIOS with Secure Boot

TPM 2.0

9-inch or larger screen with 720p resolution

Internet connectivity and an MS account. No offline installs.

GPU compatible with DirectX 12

But even further confusion as Microsoft announced versions that won't require TMP2 for countries such as China and Russia that don't allow the use of TPM2.

There will be no rollout to Windows 10 users before 2022 so there is still time for more changes and announcements so at present there is really no way to know any particular outcome or requirement.

There is also no reason why you can't continue to use Windows 10 after 2025 if you accept there will be no more security updates for it assuming Microsoft stick to their timetable.

Ray.

Ted-Atkinson wrote on 7/9/2021, 2:53 AM

Thank you so much. I have heaps of media software along with home recording equipment and like you said the companies have not replied to my request for compliance information. There is a You tube that addressed the TPM.2 issue and it said that by enabling a PTT on the correct processor would be excepted. Trying to purchase a TPM 2 module is near impossible at present.

CubeAce wrote on 7/9/2021, 3:19 AM

@Ted-Atkinson

Hi Ted.

If like me you need the use of a separate TPM2 module you may find that although your CPU is capable of using TPP that it can not be enabled via the EUFI bios. I have emailed ASUS about their add on TPM2 modules and if they are still manufacturing them but have had no reply so far.

B&H of America are expecting some TPM modules to arrive in a shipment at some point and you may be able to order one from there. They do ship to other countries. I suspect though, like the GPU scalping, the prices of such modules will come down in price over time if you can't source from a legitimate supplier.

Ray.

emmrecs wrote on 7/9/2021, 3:24 AM

@CubeAce @Ted-Atkinson

(As someone affected by this) I thought I would add to Ray's list one detail: if using an intel processor it must be at least 8th generation!

Jeff

Ted-Atkinson wrote on 7/9/2021, 4:15 AM

I have the PTT enabled on my PC there are some great You tubes to tell you how to access your BIOS. I have just back ordered a Gigabyte TCM 2.0 with the 12 pins. The ASUS have 14 pins. My wife PC is an ASUS. Mine is a custom job and has a AORUS game 3 mother board. Well I wish everyone well with the scary change (again)

CubeAce wrote on 7/9/2021, 4:23 AM

@Ted-Atkinson

Hi Ted.

I do know how to access my EUFI bios and my ASUS motherboard has no option for enabling TPP on my processor.

The manual also states I must have the TPM2 module for TPM to be enabled, so I'm stuck at present although in truth I see no reason to want to upgrade to Win 11 at this point. I'm pretty sure it would mean a new printer for me at least.

Ray.

Ted-Atkinson wrote on 7/9/2021, 4:40 AM

Check this You Tube as it explains the process to the ASUS.

CubeAce wrote on 7/9/2021, 5:50 AM

@Ted-Atkinson

Hi Ted.

I have used AI suite 3 since I built my machine. I go by the guidance on the ASUS website.

I will just wait until the modules are available. It is the better option of the two anyway but thanks for thinking of me. Amazon may also be getting a shipment at some point so I'll get a module at a reasonable price. Last time I saw a UK list price it was around £14.

If you want a copy of my manual in pdf format to see for yourself find it here.

Ray.

johnebaker wrote on 7/9/2021, 6:48 AM

@Ted-Atkinson, @CubeAce

Hi

Do be aware that there are several types of TPM 2 modules - the manufacturer of my motherboard (MSI) has 2 types - SPI and LPC and they are not interchangeable.

Check in the motherboard manual which type you need.

At the moment there is currently a shortage of these modules and the some prices being offered are 3 - 4x normal . I am seeing some TPM 2 modules being offered for £80+ - the normal retail prices I have seen are in the £12 to £40 range - there is currently a shortage of these modules.

There is no rush to get one, as Ray has commented Windows 10 is going to be around for quite a few years yet.

John EB

johnebaker wrote on 7/13/2021, 3:18 PM

@Ted-Atkinson

Hi

. . . . . There is a You tube that addressed the TPM.2 issue and it said that by enabling a PTT on the correct processor would be excepted . . . .

The latest I can find on this issue is if you have a recent Intel processor, ie 8th generation or later and PTT is enabled in the BIOS of the computer, is that Windows 11 will be installable, without the need for a TPM module.

I have enable mine and get this confirmation that TPM 2.0 is available.

HTH

John EB

Ted-Atkinson wrote on 7/13/2021, 5:07 PM

I use a Focusrite interface (this uses Thunderbolt connection) and Steinberg Cubase Pro 11. These are other media programs and devises I use. Both of these companies advised me not to upgrade as they don't have enough information about Windows 11. So I have decided not to upgrade until the upgrade I can be sure.

CubeAce wrote on 7/14/2021, 2:36 AM

@Ted-Atkinson

Hi Ted.

Yes if you are using a Focusrite audio legacy product you probably should hold off as Windows 11 will eventually be using new drivers throughout and I've had two audio interfaces in the past that were quite expensive and now just chunks of worthless electronics unless I decide to build another PC and run it off line with Win 7 or 98.

However my copy of Cubase 4 is running just fine on Win 10 using Direct X drivers and the inboard audio. What effects it more is the amount of background tasks and programs. So a dedicated user account with minimal background tasks running helps a lot. A lot will depend on how many tracks you run and what and how many VST components you run. ASIO4ALL also works if needed but really needs a dedicated audio card to work better than Direct X

The Steinberg setup guidelines tend to be aimed squarely at people who are only using their computers solely as DAWS and nothing else. According to them you should not even be running another editor of any kind on the machine. Or a printer,or use anything other than Windows drivers for mice or keyboards.

I can run at least 12 tracks of VST instruments with effects with very little latency. Unless you are doing more, all I would worry about personally is the Focusrite audio interface if I were you. The dongle software will be updated at some point if it is found to be needed.

Ray.

Ted-Atkinson wrote on 7/14/2021, 3:19 AM

I have Cubase Pro 11 with a Focusrite Clarett 8 PreX with a Berhringer X Tough for mixing. I can't afford to buy anything extra as I have retired.so I will hold off with the Windows 11. I have ordered a TPM 2 module "which I will install" when it comes.

CubeAce wrote on 7/14/2021, 4:52 AM

@Ted-Atkinson

Hi Ted.

Neither of those are listed as legacy products on the relevant websites and both have Win10 compatible drivers.

No reason to think you won't be OK.

The earliest deliveries of ASUS TPM drivers I've seen so far are quoting 4 weeks for some USA outlets. Where have you been able to source a Gigabyte TPM 2.0 module? I can't currently see one of those at retail anywhere either.

Ray.

Ted-Atkinson wrote on 7/14/2021, 5:03 AM

I also have Magix Movie Edit Pro premium.

I have messaged Magix, Steinberg and Focusrite. Heard from Steinberg and Focusrite. Not a boo from Magix

DrGary wrote on 7/19/2021, 12:10 AM

I've been using Windows 11 Pro (re-release) for 2 weeks now and both Magix Movie Edit Pro Premium 2021 and Xara Photo & Graphic Designer work perfectly. 👌 I'm running on a Dell 27 7700 AIO x64 PC with the OS on a 256GB SSD and Data on a 1TB HDD. Unfortunately, all PC's are not the same and there are so many variants that can affect the smooth running of any programme really. Good luck! 😁

johnebaker wrote on 7/19/2021, 4:07 AM

@DrGary

Hi

Thanks for the confirmation that these 2 programs do work.

. . . . Unfortunately, all PC's are not the same and there are so many variants that can affect the smooth running of any programme really. . . .

Very true - the problem I can see arising is going to be with users who are using older versions of Magix programs which are not certified/supported to run on Windows 10.

Do you have a TPM module installed or are using an Intel processors PTT to get Windows 11 installed ?

John EB

DrGary wrote on 7/19/2021, 5:00 AM

John, the Dell PC is a 2021 model with the TPM module installed and I believe it's also Intel. It installed flawlessly.

I've also installed it on a 2012 Macbook Air - which I've completely partitioned and formatted to run Windows - which does not have the TPM module. However there are ways around that if you google search the problem. It also installed flawlessly.

Both PC and the Air are updating normally.

Hope this helps.

johnebaker wrote on 7/19/2021, 6:55 AM

@DrGary

Hi

Thanks for the info - it does help.

John EB

DrGary wrote on 7/19/2021, 7:12 AM

Glad to help.