4k blu ray support

Puck1263 wrote on 11/24/2022, 8:34 AM

I used to have Vegas Studio HD Platinum 11 and DVD Architect 7 and edited/burned 1080 24p blu-ray. I'd pull in a 1080 24p AVCHD file output from Adobe Photoshop Elements to the timeline for a slideshow from photos. I got a new computer, updated software and now want to switch to 4k.

What I want to do is Import/Edit 4k, create a 4k slideshow from photos and add to end of timeline, create disc menus and burn to a UHD Blu-ray at 4k 24p.  Can I do all this within Studio Suite 2023? (Preferred, but it appears not....)

  • I can import/edit 4k, but only export as a HECV file?  Burn to blu-ray/AVCHD option limited to 1080p? 
  • No slideshow option? 
  • Am I missing something?  I'd think there would be some advancement in 10 years.

If I can't do all inside Studio, is there another program combo I'll need to use as before? I can use ImgBurn to burn the disk, but need files packaged to an ISO file first. I saw elsewhere someone suggesting Pegasys TPMGenc Authoring Works 6 to be able to write 4k 24p to UHD blu-ray. I don't know what I'd do for 4k slideshow creation. I'm having same issue with Adobe Premiere/Photoshop Elements 2023 - can't do all I want inside same program, and their slideshows only output 1080p.

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Puck1263 wrote on 11/24/2022, 8:56 AM

PS - 24p was the standard for 1080 - I'd shoot/edit/output at that. Is it still the standard framerate for 4k? I assumed so, but may be wrong. If so, that would change what I want above.

browj2 wrote on 11/24/2022, 9:12 AM

@Puck1263

Hi,

First off, Magix Movie Studio is a rebranded Magix Movie Edit Pro and is not at all like the Vegas product. It has more features that Vegas MS had, missing a couple of Vegas MS features but there is usually a different way to do it, has multiple timelines (Movies), and comes with a whole lot of content, including music, title templates, movie templates, intros and outros, transition templates, design elements (image objects), movie looks and the ability to create multi-movie DVD's and BR's from within the program, and much more. It has a SlideShow Maker (including music), Soundtrack Maker, Travel Maps, and BPM wizard.

No slideshow option? 

It has Slideshow Maker - it takes the (selected) images from the timeline and using an interface, you select the parameters that you want, including effects, transitions, title, and music. It puts the result back on the timeline for you to edit if you wish (almost always the case). A slideshow is just a movie - not a Powerpoint presentation.

You can edit and mix audio, add audio, record narration and more.

You can import and export to MP4 4K (UHD), not just HEVC.

However, you cannot Burn to UHD, only full HD on BluRay.

Do you actually have a UHD Burner? I took a quick look and the ones that I saw purporting to be 4K burners do not actually burn to UHD, they read UHD but write full HD.

If you have a UHD burner, please tell us which one and which type and capacity of disks you burn to.

Lastly, will the people who will view the UHD disks actually have UHD readers?

John CB

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Puck1263 wrote on 11/24/2022, 9:24 AM

Ok, I hadn't seen the slideshow maker - I'll look for it. Sounds like Studio Suite 2023 can do everything I want, except write. I can get the film edited and slideshow inserted and export the file, but it sounds like I need something else to create menus and burn or create menus and output to an ISO so I can burn with ImgBurn.

I have a UHD blu-ray player (sony ubp-x700 /m). For family members with standard blu-ray players, I'd need to output the project to standard 1080 24p blu-ray. I mainly use this for our home videos, so trying to capture/preserve in contemporary high quality.

My blu-ray burner on my PC is an ASUS BW-16D1X-U. It seems to have the right write specs. I told the guys at MicroCenter what I wanted to do and that is what they pointed me to. I haven't tried to write a 4k Blu-ray yet. For media - I was going to go with a BD-DL 50GB, but I'm not sure what that will limit me to as far as run time with high 4k bit rates - may consider BD-DL 100GB.

browj2 wrote on 11/24/2022, 1:01 PM

@Puck1263

Hi,

I am quite sure that your ASUS BW-16D1X-U will not burn to UHD, only full HD. As well, it doesn't look like it can read/play a 4k Blu-Ray video.

Do not confuse being able to burn a video file that is 4K and creating a 4K Blu-Ray authored video. The former is just data.

Also, be careful about burners that say 4K Burner - the details say that it plays 4K video disk, but does not burn 4K videos.

I looked at the info about Pegasys TPMGenc Authoring Works 6 and I don't see anywhere that it can author 4K videos.

From what I have seen on this forum, 4K video burners are very expensive and for the professional video productions houses.

I found this site that purports that its software can author 4K video for burning and gives a list of the 4K burners. I checked 3 of them and they do not burn 4K videos, but can play back 4K videos.

Movie Studio will create the iso file - but not for 4K videos as far as I know.

Bottom line, I am pretty sure that you will not be able to create your own 4K Video Disks.

John CB

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johnebaker wrote on 11/24/2022, 4:36 PM

@Puck1263

Hi

. . . .ASUS BW-16D1X-U. It seems to have the right write specs. I told the guys at MicroCenter what I wanted to do and that is what they pointed me to.  . . .

From the specs, the burner you have cannot play 4K UHD discs, nor is it 4K UHD capable burner.

M-Discs are not 4K UHD discs, they are a more stable BD disc supporting long archival times unlike BD discs which have to duplicated about every 5 years or so.

. . . . I haven't tried to write a 4k Blu-ray yet.  . . .

As @browj2 commented:

. . . . Bottom line, I am pretty sure that you will not be able to create your own 4K Video Disks. . . .

You wont be able to - the 4K UHD encoder and disc format, which is not compatible with BD, is licensed for commercial movie making organisations only and is very expensive, nor is there any intention to release it to the consumer market. There are no 4K UHD burners or 4K UHD writeable discs available.

Some burner manufacturers give the impression that their drives can burn 4K UHD, however if you look more closely at the small print, they only support playing 4K UHD discs.

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browj2 wrote on 11/24/2022, 9:09 PM

@Puck1263

Hi,

I forgot this part:

create disc menus and burn to a UHD Blu-ray at 4k 24p.

No to 24. If you're in North America, use 29 97fps; in Europe and Britain, 25fps.

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

Thanks for jumping in with the details. I'll note this one away for the next time someone asks.

John CB

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