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Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 6/28/2020, 9:57 AM

 Here is an exsample

browj2 wrote on 6/28/2020, 10:04 AM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

Hi,

Not sure that I follow you.

If you are still in text mode, meaning that the text dialogue screen is active, and you move the text box on the monitor, then the text will be limited to the TV cropping area indicated under Effects, Movie Effect Settings, TV cropping tab. It's probably set to 10% by default. Moving the text off-screen will cause it to jump back into the valid area. If you turn it off, you can move the text whilst still in text mode anywhere that you wnat - but you can't keyframe in this mode.

However, just simply go to Effects, View/Animation, Size/Position, and you can move the text wherever you want.

I have never seen any restriction for an image, so can you describe in more detail what you are trying to do?

John CB

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browj2 wrote on 6/28/2020, 10:06 AM

Just saw your video. Show us the timeline with the image selected and Effects, View/Animation, Size/Position, dialogue showing. It looks like you have keyframed the image.

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CubeAce wrote on 6/28/2020, 10:33 AM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

Do you know about the key editor?

Sometimes you can create more positions in the key frame than you mean to.

Just get to the point in the time line where the image or text is where you want it and look at the key editor.

You should be close to a white diamond in the key editor. Click on that diamond and make sure it is the position you want. Then click on all the other diamond in the key editor one by one and delete them using the bin symbol.

The image should then stay where you want it to.

Ray.

 

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Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 6/28/2020, 10:44 AM

Thank you Ray 👍 I'm going to try this out.

Browj2... I just used the option "attach to picture position in the video" feature. But like I show in my example video the picture just jumps around. So why is it a option anyway 🤔

 

I'm going to do another try with both text and video and see how it goes... 😊

browj2 wrote on 6/28/2020, 11:10 AM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

Attach to picture position - this will attach a picture to some point on a video that is moving and the picture will move with it. In my unpublished tutorial below, you'll see that the mask is attached to the little dog. As the dog runs around, the mask stays with the little dog. You do need to start reading the manual and watching my tutorials on basic editing.

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CubeAce wrote on 6/28/2020, 11:31 AM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

Hi Brynjar.

The Key Editor is a very powerful part of the program that allows all sorts of parameters of the various effects to be altered as the timeline progresses. So if you want to animate text of move images around, flip them, shrink of expand and add more images alongside each other, the Key Editor helps you to get the speed and positioning timed exactly as you want it. It takes time to get used to but is very useful and worth learning how to handle.

Here's a couple of short examples mainly achieved by use of the Key Frame Editor along with the appropriate plug-ins.

and

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Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 6/28/2020, 11:40 AM

sorry if i'm wasting your time browj2 .... you don't have to answer me any more than you want. I've spent a lot of time searching for information online when I've been missing information about "how to this and that" in Magix .... Explanation videos are hard to find for users ... I've read the Manual few times and use it every time I have a problem .... however, it is very poorly written and designed, which is sad.

Here is the other sample ......first image and the text has "built-in command" but the image and text nr. 2 has keyframes ..... that's all.

johnebaker wrote on 6/28/2020, 11:57 AM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

Hi

. . . . attach to picture position in the video" feature . . . .

Perhaps this tutorial will help understand what the above effect does.

John EB

 

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emmrecs wrote on 6/28/2020, 12:06 PM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

Please do not address another user, @browj2, in words which are dismissive of the advice or help offered. I realise that this may be a problem of language; John is Canadian and hence a "native" speaker of the language, whereas you, I suspect, do not have English as your native language. Hence, the nuance of his words may have been somewhat "unclear" to you. He would certainly not have wished to be dismissive towards you, I believe.

The reason for the problem you are seeing is because you chose the option to "attach to picture position in video". As both John and Ray (@CubeAce) have explained, this "fixes" the picture to the exact "image point" where you place it relative to the video. e.g. if you place an image on top of a "house", if the video pans around so that the house appears to "move", so will the image placed on top of it. In other words, the image and the house are permanently linked.

Please carefully re-read all the previous posts. Both Ray and John have explained exaclty how to do what you want: place an image on the screen and NOT have it move even if the video behind it does.

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CubeAce wrote on 6/28/2020, 12:14 PM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

Hi Brynjar.

If you are using a follow command the area you follow must be well defined and stay within the frame or it will lose track and just 'float'. It looks like you have either enlarged a jpg for the background or are moving a panoramic jpg.

If you use tracking it's important to find an area of high contrast to anchor the point where you need it or again it will lose track.

Are you after the moving smaller image to go off screen? I'm not sure that can be done with tracking as again the tracking point will go outside the viewable area. Tracking is really meant for objects that stay on the screen for the duration needed. Where maybe objects within the frame move or the camera movement is not steady.

 

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browj2 wrote on 6/28/2020, 12:33 PM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

It's ok, I don't mind answering your questions. Of course, I misread the subject, just opened the message and read. It helps if you repeat the heading with more detail for people like me who don't pay sufficient attention to the subject (or forget what it was within a few seconds). I also checked your profile to see if you were using VPX or Vegas, since you didn't mention it at the beginning. You may want to add some info to your signature.

As you will see in my tutorial, the messages that pop up when doing this indicate that you need a good contrast for the effect to work. You want the image to follow some selected area of the background, however, your background image (moving) or video does not have something that has sufficient contrast, just mountains, sky and clouds. As a result, the program has trouble trying to determine exactly what to follow, gets off-track and the image jumps around while the program is searching.

Your video pans slowly and smoothly. In this case, the best way is to simply use Size/Position and keyframe manually. You probably only need a first and last keyframe and the overlay image would follow along smoothly.

As well, your selected area went off-screen, so VPX has nothing to follow and doesn't know what to do. You have to trim and modify manually, or better, do it manually.

Same thing applies for the text. There is insufficient contrast for the program to analyse and follow the selected area. Best to do it manually.

As you can see in my tutorial, the Attach picture command worked well because of the contrasting jacket worn by the little dog vs the background.

In part 2 of my tutorial, not yet complete, I put a second mask on the big dog (plug for Bernadette who gets a royalty dog biscuit). The Attach picture algorithm doesn't work well because her fur and the background are too close to each other in colour and contrast to smoothly follow the action. So, I show manual keyframing the movement of the mask (same as an image).

If you find any errors or problems in my tutorial, please let me know.

I try to show more detail in my tutorials than Magix does in theirs, with concrete examples, so I hope that people find them useful.

EDIT: I see that Ray posted similar info while I was typing.

John CB

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Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 6/28/2020, 1:28 PM

Okay....thanks to everyone who replied my posts. I was looking for way to "stikk/nail" a picture or text on one point/area without the attachment jumping around with a demand. That seems not to be possible.

The solution is: it can only be done manually with key frames 👍

Brynjar Gudmundsson (icelandic)

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Using VPX

 

 

 

browj2 wrote on 6/28/2020, 1:40 PM

@Brynjar-Gudmundsson

Not quite and for clarity.

As I demonstrated, it can be done using the Attach picture effect, but only if there is good contrast of the selected point or area to pin to with respect to the surrounding area.

Also, the Attach picture effect actually creates a series of keyframes in its quest to track the selected area. The keyframe points can be adjusted manually, but there are usually too many to do this practically.

John CB

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Brynjar-Gudmundsson wrote on 6/28/2020, 1:56 PM

Yes I understand, thanks 👍😊

AAProds wrote on 6/29/2020, 5:07 AM

@Bryan-Longhurst Gday Brynjar, are you wanting the inserted image to remain in the same position on the screen (ie not part of the video) and not move around?

If so, simply place the image on a lower track, make sure it is highlighted, then drag it into the desired position (and drag a corner to the required size). No keyframes or "attach to..." required. It will then remain in that position for as long as it is on the timeline ie until it ends.

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