Backward Compatibility of Magix products:

hardtwistmusic wrote on 7/24/2018, 3:29 AM

I first got Magix Music Maker 11. Then I got Magix Music Maker 14. Problem with MM14 was that when my first computer died, and I installed onto another computer, the new one would not read ANY "arrangement files" (.mmm files) from the old computer. Huge volume of re-work required.

Also, any arrangement files copied from one location on hard drive to another refuse to load or read, even on the same computer that generated them. It's DAMNED unhandy. A major negative.

I just purchased a new version of Magix Music Maker Plus Edition. It won't read any of the existing arrangement files either.

Am I doing something wrong or is this just the way it is and nothing can be done about it?

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johnebaker wrote on 7/24/2018, 3:55 AM

Hi

This sounds suspiciously like a permissions problem - were there any error messages when the mmm files could not be read?

How were you 'transferring' the files from one computer to the other?

If a USB thumb drive or external hard drive were you trying to import/work on the projects from that device?

John EB

hardtwistmusic wrote on 7/31/2018, 8:38 PM

Hi

This sounds suspiciously like a permissions problem - were there any error messages when the mmm files could not be read?

How were you 'transferring' the files from one computer to the other?

If a USB thumb drive or external hard drive were you trying to import/work on the projects from that device?

John EB

I've never been able to "move" or "copy" mmm files and still have them work -- even on the same machine.. The only way to back up files is to save them to a different storage medium. In this case the thumb drive. That is how I tried to utilize the old mm14 files in the newer mm16 software.

The files on the thumb drive don't work on mm14 on any computer except the one they were made on. It never was an insurmountable problem before, but my old computer is about to die, and I don't want to lose all the work I did.

emmrecs wrote on 8/1/2018, 4:43 AM

Hi.

Just to follow-up on John's comment and your reply; are you actually copying the files from your pen drive to the new computer or simply trying to open them direct from the pen drive?

If the files are on the new computer, have you checked their Properties, especially their "Permissions", as John asked?

I have to say, this is not a problem I've ever come across before, though I have rarely needed to move existing MMM files between computers.

Jeff

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hardtwistmusic wrote on 8/1/2018, 8:12 PM

Hi.

Just to follow-up on John's comment and your reply; are you actually copying the files from your pen drive to the new computer or simply trying to open them direct from the pen drive?

If the files are on the new computer, have you checked their Properties, especially their "Permissions", as John asked?

I have to say, this is not a problem I've ever come across before, though I have rarely needed to move existing MMM files between computers.

Jeff

I only try to open from the thumb drive since any copying makes them unreadable. I've had the "properties" screen open and didn't see anything I thought would help..... but I dont know much about it, and could have missed what I should be seeing.

 

hardtwistmusic wrote on 8/1/2018, 8:17 PM

I went back and looked at the properties screen and didnt see anything about "permissions." I'm not sure what they are. What am I missing?

browj2 wrote on 8/1/2018, 9:50 PM

Hi,

We don't know what was with your MMM files that is also needed. Did you record something? If so, the recordings have to be included and in the same file location as on the other machine. Did you use Soundpool loops? Are they still available in the same location? None of these are in the MMM file itself; it only uses the files which remain outside of the program. Do any of these conditions apply to you?

John CB

hardtwistmusic wrote on 8/10/2018, 12:44 AM

Hi,

We don't know what was with your MMM files that is also needed. Did you record something? If so, the recordings have to be included and in the same file location as on the other machine. Did you use Soundpool loops? Are they still available in the same location? None of these are in the MMM file itself; it only uses the files which remain outside of the program. Do any of these conditions apply to you?

John CB

Okay.... I have nearly a thousand recordings saved as mmm arrangement files. I do not use soundpool loops. Everything I have created plays only on the machine I created it with AND only if it has not been "copied" or "moved" as a file.

YOU ASKED Are they still available in the same location? I'm not sure what that means. Many have been saved to thumb drives, and load and play on the machine that created them, but not on any other machine. So, what does "same location" mean? Does it mean that if I loaded a midi or mp3 file, the midi or mp3 file has to be included on the storage medium? that actually would make sense, but I can't see how it would apply to files I created entirely from scratch with a microphone.

Thanks in advance for the help.

 

 

johnebaker wrote on 8/10/2018, 4:27 AM

@hardtwistmusic

Hi

. . . . I just purchased a new version of Magix Music Maker Plus Edition . . . . That is how I tried to utilize the old mm14 files in the newer mm16 software. . . .

Can you clarify which version the new Music Maker you are trying to load the project files into is, the full version number is found under Help, About . . .

As your posts read it is not clear whether you mean MMM 14 (released 2008) and MMM 16 (released 2010) or are abbreviating MMM 2014 (released 2013), and/or MMM 2016.

John EB

 

browj2 wrote on 8/10/2018, 7:58 AM

 

Okay.... I have nearly a thousand recordings saved as mmm arrangement files. I do not use soundpool loops. Everything I have created plays only on the machine I created it with AND only if it has not been "copied" or "moved" as a file.

YOU ASKED Are they still available in the same location? I'm not sure what that means. Many have been saved to thumb drives, and load and play on the machine that created them, but not on any other machine. So, what does "same location" mean? Does it mean that if I loaded a midi or mp3 file, the midi or mp3 file has to be included on the storage medium? that actually would make sense, but I can't see how it would apply to files I created entirely from scratch with a microphone.

MMM is, for the most part, a non-destructive audio editor. Any files, like mp3 or wave, that you use or create are not saved within the .mmm file. They remain separate and have to exist at the same location on your system - Drive/folder/filename or MMM won't find the file and will give you the following message:

Here is what the manual says:

"Load project

A previously saved Music Maker project is loaded with this menu item. Please note that the object files for the project must also be available! Music Maker will look for the sounds and videos that were used first in the path where they were located when the project was saved. If they are not found there, then the Music Maker Project will look for the objects in the same directory as the project itself."

This is fundamental to understanding how these programs work.

Below shows a screen with 2 recordings, a voice recording and a MIDI recording. Look at the first 2 boxes for the audio recording. When you record, the filename and location are shown on the parameters screen (box at bottom left). You can change these before recording. Thus the recorded file is saved there and needs to always be available to the project. The second box shows the properties of the recorded object that is on track 1. You can see the location and filename. MMM creates 2 temporary files in the same location - Drive/folder/...

The third box is for the MIDI recording. There is no external file as the MIDI information is kept within the project file. MIDI is just a set of instructions, not an audio file and is thus small. The voice recording, the wave file, is not kept in the MMM file. The MMM file just remember where is was and loads it.

The next screen of Windows Explorer shows the files created when I recorded some audio. The location is:

B:\Documents\MAGIX\Music Maker\Projects\Tests\Recordings

and the filename is "Test moving recording - 0001.wav"

In your case, you moved the MMM files to a new computer without the audio files, thus MMM can't find them. You have to copy all of these to the same location/structure - Drive/folder... - on the new computer or if copied somewhere else on the new computer, when the message pops up (the first image above) you have to navigate to the new location.

HTH

John CB