Best settings for best quality when uploading H.264 to YouTube

Scenestealer wrote on 1/17/2021, 7:56 PM

Hi All

I have done very little uploading to YT over the years and so am looking for some opinions on what settings would ensure I get the maximum quality from an AVCHD 1920x1080 50P H.264 MPEG4 file from my Sony and Panasonic cameras.

I normally export my files to the AVCHD Transport Stream 1920x1080 50P HQ template which results in 26-28Mbps file with AC-3 Stereo @ 384kbps which keeps the original quality for playback on my TV.

Taking into consideration the YT recommendations here :https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171 I wonder about what sort of quality I would get using their rather low recommended bitrate of 12Mbps for 1920x1080 50P ?

So:-

How much more could I increase the bitrate (or in fact upload using my normal export template at 26Mbps) and actually expect to see the improvement in quality if I streamed YT to my 50" HD TV? My file is only 8 minutes long BTW so the length of time to upload should not matter to me.

Would the picture and sound be any different keeping the AVCHD .mts and 384kbps AC-3 audio compared to using the recommended .MP4 with 192kbps AAC-LC audio that YT recommend?

Actually the YT recommended BR for audio of 384Kbps seems quite high for AAC-LC, especially seeing as the max. you can set in the VPX .MP4 export settings is 192kbps.

1080 50P Magix export template uses a GOP of 50 but YT recommend to set it to half the framerate ie.GOP = 25?

I presume the "moov atom at the front of the file (Fast Start)" YT requirement is covered by ticking the "Streamable" box in the Intel Advanced encoder settings?

I have seen pretty impressive quality from YT uploads by members of the forum and others so any thoughts and observations of what might and might not make a difference in your experiences would be much appreciated.

Peter

 

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CubeAce wrote on 1/17/2021, 9:43 PM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

Personally I keep the settings as close to the original settings of the source files as possible or higher if the rendering result doesn't seem that close to the original after exporting as my original files are a much higher bit rate at that resolution to begin with at around 80 to 100mbps. I see very little difference between the file I play back on YouTube and my exported file played back on my own machine. I can even play them both back side by side across my two monitors. Using lower bit rates than that and I start to see some colour banding in skies or blocking of solid colour sections but that is also obvious in the final render before uploading.

Seeing as the limits for YouTube are 15minutes to begin (eventually 12 hours under certain restrictions) with but any file uploaded is not allowed to be more than 128GB there is much room for flexibility. Larger files (bit rate wise) seem to be encoded better than lower sized ones but take longer to render once uploaded before you can access the higher bitrate steaming playback.

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Scenestealer wrote on 1/18/2021, 4:35 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

Thanks for your comments. Your uploads always look great so I kind of figured you must be using higher BRs than the YT recommended.

So I guess the recommended is probably more like the minimum and they are not encouraging bigger data rates in order to keep encoding times down on their uploaders? To be fair they do mention somewhere that higher BRs are allowable.

Any views about my other questions above?

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johnebaker wrote on 1/18/2021, 5:23 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter

. . . . How much more could I increase the bitrate . . . .

I don't think that would make any difference as they still get converted by YT to their download standards - from an article I read a few weeks ago - lower bitrate ie 12Mbps for 1920 x 1080, and long GOP (120?).

. . . . To be fair they do mention somewhere that higher BRs are allowable. . . . .

For upload yes.

. . . . I presume the "moov atom at the front of the file (Fast Start)" YT requirement is covered by ticking the "Streamable" box in the Intel Advanced encoder settings? . . . .

It is the information needed to tell the player what it is getting ie the fps, duration and colour standard of the video - normally these are at then end of the video so it would have to download it all before it could play the video, moving the info to the front of the video the player streams it.

HTH

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CubeAce wrote on 1/18/2021, 6:15 AM

Hi Peter.

I have noticed in my own uploads that if I use the recommended settings for YouTube I get the banding and colour block problems I described earlier so something must be going on. What I have no idea, but trying to get my videos looking the same means the exported file from MEP or VPX has to match the original file data as closely as I can which if I use the base settings MEP uses normally doesn't happen. Going over the top with the bit rate just effects export time (as well as possibly making the file larger than it needs to be) So I don't mess with the bit rate settings as much but do alter the compression ratios. As the audio limit on an MP4 export seems to be 198kbps I leave it at that.

That gives me this on export.

General
Complete name                            : H:\Santa Fun Run III.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/avc1)
File size                                : 1.82 GiB
Duration                                 : 3 min 9 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 82.3 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-12-30 18:22:44
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-12-30 18:22:44

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=50
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 3 min 9 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 82.1 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 120 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.198
Stream size                              : 1.81 GiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-12-30 18:22:44
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-12-30 18:22:44
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 3 min 9 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 4.41 MiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-12-30 18:22:44
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-12-30 18:22:44

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So that would be a typical upload for me at present.

Ray

 

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Scenestealer wrote on 1/18/2021, 6:42 PM

@johnebaker @CubeAce

Hi John

Thanks for the extra info.

I don't think that would make any difference as they still get converted by YT to their download standards

I think I am with Ray on this one and not knowing exactly what the final encoding parameters YT use are, I think it better they have as much data as possible to start with. The Long GOP would make a lot of sense for saving bandwidth as the stream never needs to be edited, and there are far fewer data hogging I frames. Strange though that they would ask for a short GOP ie half the FR in the uploaded file and then make it much longer in the end...?

It is the information needed to tell the player what it is getting ie the fps, duration and colour standard of the video.

Good to know but my question was - does ticking the "Streamable" setting in the VPX Intel advanced encoder window accomplish this? In the MC encoder there was a separate window where you set that.

Hi Ray

I think there is a mistake in your last post - how does your SS encoder setting of Ave BR =26Mbps give you a file of 82Mbps? I presume you used a bigger BR in the Media Info reported file and while the overall BR=82Mbps is quite modest for UHD 50P I assume by the Max BR=120Mbps, that you set the Max quite high?

So I don't mess with the bit rate settings as much but do alter the compression ratios.

Can you explain this a little more please? Is that the relative difference between the Average and Max BR that I have just commented on?

Peter

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johnebaker wrote on 1/19/2021, 5:57 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter

. . . . does ticking the "Streamable" setting . . .

It is.

For existing non streamable MP4 videos that I want to make streamable I used MP4 Fast Start - it takes seconds to fix a file.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

In addition to Peters comment on the Bitrates, It would be interesting to point that video clip at Bitrate Viewer to see what you are actually getting - the limits you set are not hard and fast ie the max bitrate set can be exceeded by the encoder and the Average is a target to aim for.

In the example below the export settings were 18000 Ave, 24000 Max and as you can see this has been exceeded in places - I have added the green line to indicate the Max setting.

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CubeAce wrote on 1/19/2021, 7:03 AM

@Scenestealer @johnebaker

Hi Peter, Hi John.

Hi Peter.

My fault in this instance. The right had export box settings were wrong and set for an HD encode not 4K.

It should have shown this.

As you can see the average and maximum bit rates are now correct for the file data. I have never ticked the streamable or HTML boxes because as far as I'm aware they are only useful if you wish to play the file via your web browser.

I have found no visible difference between having a GOP length of half or the same as the frame rate to an uploaded file.

The Profile setting of HIGH and Level setting I always choose the lowest number offered and Coding quality set to Best reduces the amount of compression used on exporting.

You should now see a better correlation between the exported data in the file below than the image above.

General
Complete name                            : I:\Magix 2021\Santa Fun Run III.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/avc1)
File size                                : 1.82 GiB
Duration                                 : 3 min 9 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 82.4 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-01-19 10:13:41
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-01-19 10:13:41

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=50
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 3 min 9 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 82.1 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 120 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.198
Stream size                              : 1.81 GiB (100%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-01-19 10:13:41
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-01-19 10:13:41
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 3 min 9 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 4.41 MiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2021-01-19 10:13:41
Tagged date                              : UTC 2021-01-19 10:13:41

 

Hi John.

I love how you find all these sites I've never heard of. The result for the file is above.

Did you pay for the full version?

Ray.

 

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johnebaker wrote on 1/19/2021, 11:05 AM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

Bitrate viewer is freeware, it is old however it works and is easy to interpret

John EB.

 

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CubeAce wrote on 1/19/2021, 11:53 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

My downloaded version will not allow a larger view without this showing.

Ray.

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johnebaker wrote on 1/19/2021, 12:02 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

AFAICS Bitrate viewer 3 never arrived.

I doubled the size of the captured image in PSP 2021 - that is the result of the AI resize - as you can see the quality is good.

John EB

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CubeAce wrote on 1/19/2021, 12:48 PM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I've tried doing the same in Photoshop.

Ray.

 

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Scenestealer wrote on 1/20/2021, 5:22 AM

@johnebaker @CubeAce

Hi

Thanks for your additional input.

Sorry, I think I have confused things here:-

It is the information needed to tell the player what it is getting ie the fps, duration and colour standard of the video.

Good to know but my question was - does ticking the "Streamable" setting in the VPX Intel advanced encoder window accomplish this? In the MC encoder there was a separate window where you set that.

My question should have been - does YT need "streamable" ticked when exporting the MP4 file for uploading, and if it is or is not ticked will this affect the upload process or the resultant video displayed on YT?

Ray - you say you do not tick it but I thought I had seen it ticked in some of your SS's of settings for files you had uploaded to YT in the past - or maybe it was John's?

John - if "moov atom at the front of the file (Fast Start)" is a YT requirement - how do most people achieve this? Surely most would not know what this means nor about the program you mentioned?

Coding quality set to Best reduces the amount of compression used on exporting.

Ray - as AFAIK that setting extends the accuracy of the motion vector search which reduces artifacts but does not affect the amount of compression. The result is that Better or Best slows down encoding but the file size does not change.

Peter

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johnebaker wrote on 1/20/2021, 5:55 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter

. . . . does YT need "streamable" ticked when exporting the MP4 file for uploading, and if it is or is not ticked will this affect the upload process or the resultant video displayed on YT . . .

No and no.

Long answer - whether the moov atom is at the front or back, YT will, AFAIK, re-encode the video to fit its streamable parameters for the different versions it creates ie from UHD down to 240p resolution

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CubeAce wrote on 1/20/2021, 10:49 AM

@Scenestealer @johnebaker

Hi Peter.

I did tick the streamable box that in the early days until I noticed it made no difference.

You seem to be correct on your second point. I tried a second export using the base auto settings and the resulting file was very slightly larger.

Hi John.

I also noticed you used a different view to the one I used in Bitrate viewer so I tried again using the frame rate view and used Photoshop in Painting mode to enlarge.

This is the result. Still not as good as yours but an improvement.

Ray.

 

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johnebaker wrote on 1/20/2021, 2:46 PM

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

That is very good and legible for upscaling to 1920 wide.

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Scenestealer wrote on 1/20/2021, 4:52 PM

@CubeAce @johnebaker

Thanks again both.

Ray - that file you analysed seem to have extraordinarily high peaks Max=588Mbps - what max bitrate did you set in the encoder?

Peter

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CubeAce wrote on 1/20/2021, 4:57 PM

@johnebaker

I stuck to using bitmaps until the final render this time John.

In Photoshop if you put it in the paint mode you can then import directly using print screen and paste. Whereas if you open Photoshop in the Photography view, you can't. It is then possible to just increase the image size without incurring too much blockiness in the colour sections and get a slightly better outside edge sharpness.

Once enlarged you can swap to photography mode and blur or sharpen the edges before saving and have the use of the normal selection of enhancement tools.

Ray.

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CubeAce wrote on 1/21/2021, 4:47 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter,

That last image I posted is just a different view of the data from the file I posted earlier in this thread with my settings for that export.

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johnebaker wrote on 1/21/2021, 6:05 AM

@Scenestealer, @CubeAce

Hi

. . . . . you analysed seem to have extraordinarily high peaks Max=588Mbps . . . .

I have checked this and there does seem to be an issue with Bitrate viewer over calculating the Max bitrate after you have changed display modes - the Averages do match what MediaInfo says - the max seems to be ~ 5x too high - eg

vs

Click the indicated area to reset to [S] mode, if you see [Z] next to Total time click it off as well.

John EB

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CubeAce wrote on 1/21/2021, 7:10 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

Yes, I was just trying to match your last view to enlarge in Photoshop using the same file as before. Nothing more, not being used to this app I thought it was just a more broken down set of data.

I think you can ignore that as info Peter.

Ray.

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