bug ?? unable to delete keyframe -> from 2nd clip (onwards)

Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 9/27/2024, 11:44 AM

Hi,

I couldn't delete the keyframes from the generated clips of the 1st video!

I ask you to confirm!

Thanks!

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browj2 wrote on 9/27/2024, 2:05 PM

@Roberto-Goncalves

Hi Roberto,

Sometimes when using the left-right arrows to go to a keyframe, the keyframe does not get selected and you have to click on it yourself. This is annoying but that's the way it is. So, click on the keyframe to turn it on - blue - and then delete.

BTW, you can select multiple keyframes and move or delete them.

John CB

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Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 9/27/2024, 2:40 PM

@browj2 Thanks!

focus problem!

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Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 9/27/2024, 2:45 PM

@browj2 Do you use the vpx ultimate version?

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Bol wrote on 9/28/2024, 3:59 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves, @browj2

Hello Roberto,

I was able to reproduce your problem. As far as I can judge, this is a BUG in Pro X16. In MMS 2025 / Video Deluxe 2025, this BUG is not present.

There is no other option than to use the workaround that John CB already described.

Good luck,
Rob

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johnebaker wrote on 9/28/2024, 5:02 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves

Hi

I cannot reproduce the issue, either using your method as shown in your video clip, or by my method shown below using VPX 22.0.1.244, which patch version of VPX 16 are you using?

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

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Bol wrote on 9/28/2024, 5:42 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves, @johnebaker

Hi Roberto,

How strange that John EB can't reproduce your problem. I can do this in Pro X16 version 22.0.1.244. What's going on here??


Greetings,
Rob

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johnebaker wrote on 9/28/2024, 6:28 AM

@Bol

Hi Rob

It is strange indeed, over the years I have come to the conclusion that subtle hardware and more likely Windows differences can make or break whether i can reproduce issues, I think this may be the case here.

I tested on my laptop, cannot confirm on PC for a few more days, however from experience, with Windows installations of 100+ identical PC's, subtle differences with a small percentage of them could, and did, occur.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Roberto-Goncalves wrote on 9/28/2024, 7:05 AM

Hi, @johnebaker @Bol @browj2

I wrote the text with the test version (22.0.1.215 / UDC2). Note that last year, I only didn't buy it because after testing with VPX15 another annoying bug wasn't fixed (clips moved to the project folder are limited to one second). I contacted support, who confirmed the bug. So I figured that one year would be enough for them to fix it. So I downloaded this version to test and confirmed it again with a new ticket to the technical area. "This time even the owner noticed! " So I thought I should go deeper into the tests. Now I see that there is version ... 244! So I'm taking advantage of this question: do you have any history of the items that you fixed since this version 215?

My version of MMS214 doesn't have the same defect that I showed!

 

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browj2 wrote on 9/28/2024, 10:13 AM

@Roberto-Goncalves

Hi Roberto,

@browj2 Do you use the vpx ultimate version?

No, so I am missing many of the plugins. Mercalli was bundled many times over the years. I have v5, not v6.

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

VPX16 22.0.1.244

I can almost consistently show/repeat the non-selection of keyframes but it usually happens on the second time keyframing is used, that is a second object and beyond.

Try this. Put 2 images on the timeline. Apply Camera/Zoom Shot to the first - Custom, change the rectangle, move along the timeline, change the rectangle, a few times so get some keyframes. Use the arrows to go back and forth to the kfs.

Go to the second image and do the same. Use the arrows to go to next/previous kf does not select the keyframe - doesn't turn on blue.

Go back to the first image, arrows to select kfs works. Go the second, arrows don"t select the kf. The playback marker moves there.

Worse, but intermittent. On the second object, select a kf, change the rectangle. Occasionally a second kf gets put at that location. I see this as there is a jump and using the arrows to go to the kf, then when pressing to the next one the playback marker stays at that location as there is a second kf there. I just tried to reproduce this but can't. Grrr.

I have almost finished a tutorial on CZS and had a lot of trouble with this.

John CB

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johnebaker wrote on 9/28/2024, 2:07 PM

@browj2

Hi John

Using your procedure I get the following:

Image 1 - the KF's are added however the SPR effect in the keyframe pane is not automatically selected when the 1st and subsequent KF's are added. I have to click the SPR header to activate, and can then step through the KF's.

Image 2 - behaves the same as image 1.

Did I miss anything?

The duplication of a KF I have seen before and is as you say intermittent.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 23H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

browj2 wrote on 10/1/2024, 10:28 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

We get different results.

I added a third image, same result. Only the first one done works correctly.

John CB

John C.B.

VideoPro X(16); Movie Studio 2024 Platinum; MM2025 Premium Edition; Samplitude Pro X8 Suite; see About me for more.

Desktop System - Windows 10 Pro 22H2; MB ROG STRIX B560-A Gaming WiFi; Graphics Card Zotac Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX-3060, PS; Power supply EVGA 750W; Intel Core i7-10700K @ 3.80GHz (UHD Graphics 630); RAM 32 GB; OS on Kingston SSD 1TB; secondary WD 2TB; others 1.5TB, 3TB, 500GB, 4TB, 5TB, 6TB, 8TB; three monitors - HP 25" main, LG 4K 27" second, HP 27" third; Casio WK-225 piano keyboard; M-Audio M-Track USB mixer.

Notebook - Microsoft Surface Pro 4, i5-6300U, 8 GB RAM, 256 SSD, W10 Pro 20H2.

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Bol wrote on 10/1/2024, 11:24 AM

@browj2, @johnebaker, @Roberto-Goncalves

Hello John CB

Roberto already wrote this: "I contacted support, who confirmed the bug and I had already been able to reproduce this problem".

John EB gave me this answer on September 28 at 13:28: "It is strange indeed, over the years I have come to the conclusion that subtle hardware and more likely Windows differences can make or break whether I can reproduce issues, I think this may be the case here".

After reading your answer and watching your video, you confirm my findings. Thanks👍 for that.

I will submit everything to Magix Support Germany.

Best wishes,
Rob

PS. in Pro X13 on my other computer I was able to reproduce this BUG

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