Changing multiple KFs: Bug?

terrypin wrote on 12/4/2013, 2:23 AM

This is using MEP 2014 but I'd be surprised if it didn't apply to earlier versions.

Self explanatory illustration:

Here's an additional symptom of this apparent bug. Suppose the spurious KF is almost entirely hidden, say behind the middle KF in my example. Even more obscured than in my screenshot. If you select the first KF (which becomes blue) and you then use the arrow key tool to select the next KF, neither the hidden nor the original KF turns blue. Making it difficult to confidently delete the spurious one.

Can others reproduce these unexpected results please?

@johnebaker: This issue is probably related to the spurious KF issue reported by you here
http://www.magix.info/uk/bizarre-result-after-deleting-a-kf.forum.1046259.htm

although in my case there was no relevant mouse clicking involved after selecting the 3 original KFs.

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK

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johnebaker wrote on 12/14/2013, 2:47 PM

Hi Carl

I agree with Terry.

John

Scenestealer wrote on 12/16/2013, 5:58 PM

Hi All

Maybe X Red means Reduction about the X axis which is what happens when you rotate a flat 2D object forward or backwards in 3D space ie it apprears to be squished vertically.

Where do you see Z Red? Z axis is usually the Roll axis so it would be a programming hangover for Rotation would'nt it?

What is the prize for the first one who guesses this one!

Peter

terrypin wrote on 12/17/2013, 1:08 AM

Hmm, now the Edit tool has resurfaced. So I've deleted the previous content. But why can I not delete the post itself?

terrypin wrote on 12/17/2013, 1:19 AM

I'm having a lot of trouble with posting - anyone else? For instance, it seems that I cannot edit posts now. And my attempt to add a smiley crashed the site. Maybe it's just from my iPad? Anyway, here's my edited post.

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I stand by my answer!

Zred appears if you add a KF to rotation around the Z axis, i.e. the one coming straight out towards you from the xy plane of the screen. It's changed with the third tool from the left.

If the author had been English, the abbreviations would probably have been something like Xrot, Yrot and Zrot.

As for my prize if I'm right, I expect nothing less than a bottle of ShiraZred from you Carl!

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

cpc000cpc wrote on 12/17/2013, 1:55 AM

Peter asks: "Where do you see Z Red?"

I don't, I haven't; I asked "...what would it be, if it existed!"

My thinking was as now others, that it would be a logical parallel to XRed and YRed about those two axes.

Happy to provide a Shiraz, ZRed or otherwise. Posts to: Local pick-up only!

Regards, and further enjoyment all during this, the 'silly season',

Carl

Scenestealer wrote on 12/17/2013, 3:50 AM

Zred appears if you add a KF to rotation around the Z axis

OK then - Terry you must have a German version because mine says Rotation when I do that......

Happy to provide a Shiraz, ZRed or otherwise. Posts to: Local pick-up only!

Carl I'll be right over!

Cheers

Peter

Scenestealer wrote on 12/17/2013, 4:12 AM

This really is the silly season and getting sillyer!

I have just seen a German members screen shot of the expanded Size / Position KF's and it has X Rot, Y Rot, and Rotation - so it must be X Rot(ation), etc. and Rot is German for Red so it got translated to Red in English.

cpc000cpc wrote on 12/17/2013, 1:10 PM

Peter,

I declare you to get two 'rot's! (pick up only) >>

Bing says English 'rotation' >> German 'Drehung' and vice versa. I'd like (be amused) trying a conversation with the Magix language support team -- bi-lingual dictionaries and several bottles or steins in hand!

Things get way silly towards 40C! http://www.bom.gov.au/sa/forecasts/adelaide.shtml

Redgards,

Carl

terrypin wrote on 12/17/2013, 8:14 PM

http://german.about.com/library/blcolors.htm

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

johnebaker wrote on 12/18/2013, 8:23 AM

@ Carl

. . . . Bing says English 'rotation' >> German 'Drehung' and vice versa . . . .

Bing , Google and many of the other on-line translators often get this and many other things wrong .

Having spoken to my German teacher (my wife) - in German, Drehung is not normally used in the context of rotation as we are talking about in this topic - Rotation (pronounced like ro tats ee own) is used.

Drehung is more used in the context of, for example, turning in dancing or skiing.

So the translation of Rot to Red would be correct if, as Peter and Terry pointed out we were talking about colours, however in this case because the same word is used in this context then the translation has gone wrong.

John

Scenestealer wrote on 12/18/2013, 4:23 PM

in this case because the same word is used in this context then the translation has gone wrong.

That's the point Carl and I were making John.

Anyway despite all this frivolity are we any closer to knowing the best method (apart from Terry's macro) of changing a zoom effects curve's KF's, en masse, without losing the x,y centering?

Terry, has Ralf reviewed this Topic since your original query?

Peter

terrypin wrote on 12/20/2013, 9:33 AM

Hi Peter,

I haven't been in touch with Ralf for a week or so (during this trip) but he was intending to do so. I expect he'll discuss with colleagues and play with the dialog before posting here.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK/USA