Color grading

lars-plovmann wrote on 7/27/2017, 1:40 PM

Hi all..

I have a problem... I really really cant find out the color correction in the program :( and really really miss a kind of a "lut" colorgrading to easy correct the color and so... I make some videos with clip from differens cameraes, and find it very hard to make the crispy, bright good looking videos...

I know some has a nother "lut" program to use in the last prepost , how are you do it ?

hope to get som hints and help about this

 

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johnebaker wrote on 7/27/2017, 2:31 PM

Hi

Movie Edit Pro Premium has a feature called Shotmatch which can colour correct one or more video clips or images to another which is used as a reference, this is particularly useful where multiple cameras or video sources are used to give a uniform colour balance.

See more about this in the installed PDF manual available under Help, About . . . .

LUTS are not supported in Movie Edit Pro, for this you would need to use Video Pro X which also has more functionality.

HTH

John EB

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lars-plovmann wrote on 7/27/2017, 3:07 PM

Hi John... thanks.. Yes I know the shotmatch, but must say... You have to be very lucky to get that working ... 9 out off 10 time it only givs very strange color :(

Yes I also know magix cant use "Luts " :( and also the reason for asking for a another program, just to put it thrue and get the good nice crispy colors :)

 

johnebaker wrote on 7/27/2017, 5:01 PM

Hi

. . . . get the good nice crispy colors . . . .

There are many colour correction features in Movie Edit Pro, however it would help if we knew what you are starting with and aiming for.

Can you upload 2 short video clips (10 secs long should be enough) - one showing what you are starting with and the other what you want the first clip to be like - to somewhere like DropBox - do not upload to the forum, Youtube, Vimeo etc as they will convert the clip, and post a link to them.

. . . . You have to be very lucky to get that working ... 9 out off 10 time it only givs very strange color :( . . . .

The Shotmatch feature is actually very good providing the target video is relatively close to the source, however in some circumstances it can handle very severe differences and produce a good result eg

Original

after Shotmatch

HTH

John EB

 

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lars-plovmann wrote on 7/28/2017, 3:20 AM

I will at some time try to upload something :) But thinking little about if Magix is the right one for me !! Its easy, simply and good, but I miss something... such a thing like highlight, shaddows , bright light / black and the " normerly " things from Photoshop - Lightroom.... so perhaps its better to try out Premiere ...

johnebaker wrote on 7/28/2017, 4:00 AM

Hi

. . . . I miss something... such a thing like highlight, shaddows , bright light / black and the " normerly " things . . . .

Can you be more specific, these terms are vague and could be interpreted in a variety of different ways.

If Movie Edit Pro is not providing what you want have a look at Video Pro X which more comparable to Premiere.

John EB

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emmrecs wrote on 7/28/2017, 4:49 AM

@lars-plovmann

Just to add to what John has written; not only is Magix' Video Pro X "more comparable to Premier", you also need to remember that Premier is now available only by monthly or annual subscription, similar to Video Pro X, which is by annual payment. However, the major difference between these two "subscriptions" is that if you decide to stop paying for VPX it will continue to work and will simply not receive any further updates; if you stop paying for Premier it will very quickly stop working completely!

If you're thinking of using Premier Elements, which can still be bought outright, I think there is nothing in it which is not in MEP, at least the Premium version.

Jeff

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browj2 wrote on 7/28/2017, 11:34 AM

@lars-plovmann

Please, Magix is the name of the company that makes more than 50 products, so do not refer to Magix when you mean one of those 50 programs; state the program name. Video Pro X (VPX) is a Magix product that is a big step up from Movie Edit Pro Plus/Premium (MEPP).

You state, "Yes I also know magix cant use "Luts " :( and also the reason for asking for a another program, just to put it thrue and get the good nice crispy colors :)." The Magix program VPX does this, as stated by others.

You mention "highlight, shaddows , bright light / black" as effects that you want to do. Of course you can do these in MEPP and in VPX, and much more. As requested, indicate what exactly it is that you are looking for.

MEPP and VPX have Gamma (Lows, Mids, Highs) and HDR Gamma for "highlight, shaddows , bright light / black" and VPX has a curve to adjust the selected object's brightness, contrast, saturation and temperature. See the image below.

See the other effects like Color, Color correction, Levels, LAB Color, Glow, Broadcast Color, etc., as well as adding a LUT to an image.

And to see the impact of these, VPX has Measuring Instruments.

As well, there are the HitFilm Toolkit Pack and the 2 New Blue Essentials packs that have many features for colour grading, etc.

And if you want even more, you can download and try out the Pixelan plugin FilmTouch 2.0 Pro.

If all of this is not enough, then look elsewhere for specialized colour grading programs like Da Vinci Resolve.

John CB

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lars-plovmann wrote on 7/28/2017, 1:28 PM

John CB.... I make my question in the forum post called movie edit Pro, and if I have VPX or one off the other 49 magix programs, I have made my post in that forum :) but for you :) I use movie edit pro premium :)

the Gamma - HDR gamma is not even close to the highlight and shaddow in Photoshop - Lightroom.. I use both program to my stills. And therefore I just think perhaps the Premiere has the same..

I dont know the VPX program, but its expencive, and cost around the same as premiere.. I will try to see some videoes and so about the VPX, but from the pic. you send here there is a LOT differens between MEPP and VPX

browj2 wrote on 7/28/2017, 1:56 PM

Watch for special prices from Magix for switching from MEP to VPX, usually for about half of the retail price.

You didn't indicated which flavour of MEP that you have. If you have MEP basic, then you really don't have much in the way of tools. Plus and Premium are both the same except that Premium comes with additional plugins and programs.

Yes, VPX is much more advanced than MEPP. There are many differences that are not even listed as features under VPX on Magix.com, but you should review it anyways.

EDIT: re "Gamma - HDR gamma is not even close to the highlight and shaddow in Photoshop - Lightroom" - it is always best to edit still images in a program that has the tools to do so to your satisfaction. But, just remember that you are now doing video and things move, so you will likely need to keyframe effects, no matter which program that you use.

John CB

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lars-plovmann wrote on 9/20/2017, 3:00 PM

Hey Guys... I now buyed the VPX, and wooow... its much better than MEP, I think... it simply run more smooth, and simply just work better.... I think its a good choise :) Now i just try to figure out how to edit on the beat in the video clip :) it dosent work yet :) so if you have some fif or link to tutoriels / youtube, please let me know :)

browj2 wrote on 9/20/2017, 6:06 PM

Hi Lars,

You can try using the Remix Agent. If done properly, you will get snap markers on the beats that you can line up cuts to or images. It takes practice. Right-click on the audio clip, select BPM Wizard and follow the instructions. You might want to consult the manual. Good luck. I have only had limited success. You can modify the location of the markers before leaving the Remix Agent.

EDIT: You can also try setting snap markers using the Audio effect, Snap markers and aligning snap markers with transients.

John CB

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Scenestealer wrote on 9/21/2017, 6:34 AM

Hi Lars

I find myself using the Curves feature in VPX a lot, as it is easy to adjust all areas between light and dark to different degrees, in all or individual RGB colours. You can easily gauge the changes in the different areas in realtime using the RGB waveform parade.

HDR Gamma is an easy way to get more detail out of the darker areas without affecting the lighter areas, and when used in conjunction with the Gamma slider which affects the brightness in the midrange, they can give a scene more punch.

But, just remember that you are now doing video and things move, so you will likely need to keyframe effects, no matter which program that you use.

The "Auto Contrast" feature in New Blue Effects is good as it lessens the need for key frames because it dynamically adjusts contrast through the duration of the clip. Very useful to apply to a shot that pans from a high contrast area to a low contrast shadow area, especially with a camera like my Panasonic SD900 that has a Dynamic Contrast function that sometimes makes too dramatic changes during a shot.

I think New Blue Colourfast can dynamically adjust white balance during a shot, which is useful in the same way when coping with overactive Automatic White Balance mechanisms in the camcorder.

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lars-plovmann wrote on 9/21/2017, 2:39 PM

hI guys.... Hmmm, strange... I cant find the Remix agent or the New blue Effefts anyware :( perhaps you can guide me a little :)

browj2 wrote on 9/21/2017, 3:04 PM

Hi Lars,

As I said, "Right-click on the audio clip, select BPM Wizard and follow the instructions." We assume that you are not using the basic version of MEP and that you downloaded and installed all of the extra content.

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johnebaker wrote on 9/21/2017, 3:54 PM

Hi

. . . . I cant find . . . .the New blue Effefts anyware . . . .

AFAICS the New Blue Effects are not included with the current VPX - see details here.

John EB

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lars-plovmann wrote on 9/22/2017, 11:09 AM

;) I found out :) and it runs very good :) Just a little problem... When I save a movie in mpeg4 format , its been saved it in mt2 files !!! why ?

johnebaker wrote on 9/22/2017, 11:41 AM

Hi

. . . . When I save a movie in mpeg4 format , its been saved it in mt2 files !!! why ? . . . .

Although the menu item name is Video as MPEG-4 - there are 2 container formats available AVCHD and MP4,.

If you want the mp4 container file format you need to select one of the mp4 presets.

On my computer these are the two formats indicated by the red and blue arrows with the Display all option checked - note: I have some custom preset formats also saved - you will not have these.

If you are using the MainConcept codec the items will have different names.

HTH

John EB

 

 

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

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lars-plovmann wrote on 9/22/2017, 1:22 PM

Ahhhh, nice.... THANKS alot John... :)