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johnebaker wrote on 11/23/2022, 3:43 AM

@gjonny

Hi

I am using JBL Bluetooth headphones when not at home.

I have never noticed any latency issues - which I would not expect as they are not part of the ASIO chain ie they are 'after' the audio has been process by the onboard audio chipset ready for output.

HTH

John EB

 

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gjonny wrote on 11/23/2022, 3:40 PM

@johnebaker

>> I am using JBL Bluetooth headphones

Thanks for the brand info, and for the comment about asio -- I knew about its intended usage, but hadn't really registered its significance in this context (if that makes sense).  I'll check them out.

browj2 wrote on 11/23/2022, 8:24 PM

@gjonny

Hi,

I tried out my Bose QuiteComfort II noise cancelling wireless headphones. They work, but the ASIO drivers all give me unacceptable latency, including ASIO4All. I use an M-Audio M-Track interface with plugged in headphones using the M-Audio ASIO driver - latency is almost imperceptable. So, no wireless headphones for playing on my keyboard with Music Maker.

John CB

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gjonny wrote on 11/23/2022, 11:02 PM

@browj2

>> the ASIO drivers all give me unacceptable latency,
and
>> plugged in headphones using the M-Audio ASIO driver - latency is almost imperceptable.

Hmmmm... It appears these are the earbuds -- is that what you have?  The specs on the Bose site show BT 5.3, but don't mention latency, which makes me think these are "regular" latency.  I'm guessing @johnebaker 's BT 'phones are low-latency, and that's why they work.  ( @johnebaker can you confirm that?)

I learned about BT latency when searching for BT 'phones for my non-BT TV.  Apparently regular BT audio is delayed by several milliseconds (I don't know enough about the technology to say why).  If you're listening to music from your phone, it's not a problem.  But when voice and lip movements are out of sync, it gets frustrating very quickly.  The solution is to switch to a low-latency product.  I ended up with a low-latency transmitter/headphone combo (which turned out to have such crappy sound I returned it). 

As it happens, both JBL and Bose BT products seem to use an app for additional config and update functions.  Me, I use an old clamshell phone, which makes things a little awkward here.  I've found a couple of Sennheiser RF (not BT) headphones on Amazon, that I'm looking at.  I don't think latency is an issue with these 'phones.  And no apps.  :-) 

When I posted my question, I hadn't really thought through what I meant by the word "latency".  I knew about BT latency, but I think had some more general fuzzy idea about possible delays with wireless reception.

Thanks,
John

browj2 wrote on 11/24/2022, 9:15 AM

@gjonny

Hi,

Sorry, I forgot the important number - 35 - over the ear headphones. When I tried these out at Costco, I wanted them right away, just to block out the noise at Costco.

John CB

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