Elements behind a video element

psalmista2008 wrote on 3/25/2022, 12:01 PM

I have been having a problem with elements behind a video object. I have been using Magix Video Pro / Pro X for years and I have always had the ability to place a video in the middle of the scene, and have other elements behind it. From the last year on, on both Video Edit and Pro X, elements on a track behind video track do not show.

In this example, the movie is set to 1920x1920. I have a 16:9 video on track #2, and on track #1 I have another video, resized to cover the whole area. If I reduce the transparency of the video on track #2 to anything less than 100%, you'll see the video underneath. However, if I set the element on track #2 to 100% opacity, the elements behind it are completely hidden:

 

Anyone has seen this before and can this be fixed please? Magix is my go-to video editor for years but this issue has made be look for other options.

Current setup is Magix Video Pro X 19.0.2.150 and this same thing happens on all 3 computers I use for editing with different cards/cpus.

 

 

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AAProds wrote on 3/26/2022, 1:11 AM

@psalmista2008

I'm sure this came up as a bug in the last couple of months, but I'm danged if I can find the thread. I'll keep looking.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

AAProds wrote on 3/26/2022, 1:42 AM

@psalmista2008

Found it: https://www.magix.info/us/forum/portrait-clip-on-top-of-portrait-clip-size-position-rotation-is-weird--1294028/#ca1754800

I now can't replicate it MEP 2022 so I assume it's been fixed. That's not going to help you though. 🙁

Last changed by AAProds on 3/26/2022, 9:57 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

johnebaker wrote on 3/26/2022, 6:07 AM

@psalmista2008

Hi

What effects are applied to the smaller image eg Section, Size,Position & Rotation etc?

John EB
Forum Moderator

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

psalmista2008 wrote on 3/28/2022, 2:09 PM

The video on top has no effects to it. The one in the bottom only has resize effect applied.

psalmista2008 wrote on 3/28/2022, 2:10 PM

@psalmista2008

Found it: https://www.magix.info/us/forum/portrait-clip-on-top-of-portrait-clip-size-position-rotation-is-weird--1294028/#ca1754800

I now can't replicate it MEP 2022 so I assume it's been fixed. That's not going to help you though. 🙁

It seems to be persistent, and I see the problem on both pro2022 and Pro X.

psalmista2008 wrote on 3/28/2022, 2:11 PM

UPDATE:

The only way I have been able to solve the problem is by adding a cookie cutter filter on the top video and resize it as a square to fit the original video on top. That happens to resolve the issue in part by adding the right alpha channel to the top video.

Will let you know if I find anything else.

johnebaker wrote on 3/28/2022, 3:26 PM

@psalmista2008

Hello

There is something we cannot see on the timeline images, as they have been cropped very tightly, which would appear to be creating an issue which the workaround 'fixes'.

As far as can tell from the images what you appear to be creating is a Picture in Picture which should not require a mask or Chromakey Alpha effect. An example is shown below - this was done with VPX 12

Is this what you are trying to create?

Is the video overlay (on track 2) the full frame resized or a section of the video?

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.