I can no longer see the video and audio in the timeline. Why?

mojoaudioguru wrote on 5/1/2015, 12:12 PM

I moved a clip from a lower position, and when I brought it up the chain, all the video and audio wave forms are now gone. The work that I've done editing is still there, it just no longer shows either the video or audio. Just the boxes that they are contained in. What did I do, and how do I undo it? Anybody know?

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terrypin wrote on 5/2/2015, 5:03 AM

Hi,

It's difficult for us to help without more information, apart from making wild guesses. For example:

1. What MAGIX product and version are you using?

2. What did your project look like before and after you 'moved a clip'? Screenshots would be best, but otherwise describe the states more precisely. What was in each track? Was the video and audio in tracks 1 & 2?

3. Did you immediately try the Undo feature (Ctrl+Z)?

4. Have you read at least the introductory section of the manual for your product? It doesn't sound like it, as you refer to terms like 'boxes' and 'chain'.

5. Have you accidentally Muted the video track?

6. Have you tried to restore one of your automatic backups?

7. Have you accidentally reduced the video opacity to zero?

 

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mojoaudioguru wrote on 5/6/2015, 6:38 PM

1. What MAGIX product and version are you using?

    I am referring to MEP 2015+

2. What did your project look like before and after you 'moved a clip'? Screenshots would be best, but otherwise describe the states more precisely. What was in each track? Was the video and audio in tracks 1 & 2?

    My project looked normal. No different than any other time that I've edited.

    I was editing three different camera videos into one edit. The main video was on track 1 and the audio on 2

3. Did you immediately try the Undo feature (Ctrl+Z)?

    Yes. It did absolutely nothing.

4. Have you read at least the introductory section of the manual for your product? It doesn't sound like it, as you  refer to terms like 'boxes' and 'chain'.

I have been using EVERY version of MEP, (Video Delux), since 1999. I have no need to read the introductory manual. Using terms like boxes & chain shouldn't matter. You should already understand what I'm saying. There is no need for formalities.

5. Have you accidentally Muted the video track?

    No. I moved a clip from the 5th track, with it's audio, into the first and second tracks, in order to edit the next scene.

6. Have you tried to restore one of your automatic backups?

    I did, and it brought me too far back into my project, to restart that process all over again.

7. Have you accidentally reduced the video opacity to zero?

    No. If I had, only that clip wouldn't have had any video.  The ENTIRE project disappeared. (No video and no wave forms for the audio) The only things I could see, were the BOXES that contain the video and audio, in everything I had edited prior to that point, and the raw footage after that point. When I hit the space bar, the video and audio still played fine on the other two LED screens that I have hooked up to my editing system.  After I toyed with the settings for several minutes, it went back to normal. But I couldn't tell you how I did it. Or, why it did that to begin with. Before you blame the GPU, it's a GeForce GTX 750. The computer has an 8 core CPU, it has 16 gig of RAM, and a has a 500 gig SSD. (On top of the 4 TBs in the 3 internal SATA II drives) I am well aware of all the features in this, and in previous versions of MEP. With the exception of this one. If there is something you can explain about that feature, and how to prevent that from re-ocurring, that would be greatly appreciated.

 


 

emmrecs wrote on 5/7/2015, 4:09 AM

terrypin, like all of us who post here, is another user, not a Magix employee.  Given the amount of information that you did NOT supply his questions were perfectly reasonable!  Whereas some of your answers were not, specifically the response to Terry's fourth question!  Also, the fact that YOU chose to use the terms "boxes" and "chains" does not by any stretch of the imagination indicate an experienced,knowledgeable user.

Clearly, there was a problem with this particular project at one point in time - I gather from what you wrote that this is now resolved?  Unfortunately, there is always the potential in any video editing project and despite the horsepower that may be "under the hood" of the host computer, for something to go wrong.  If, as seems to be implied by your response to Terry's second question, you were working in multicam mode then the opportunities for glitches to occur must, by definition, increase.

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johnebaker wrote on 5/7/2015, 7:55 AM

Hi

. . . . Using terms like boxes & chain shouldn't matter. You should already understand what I'm saying. There is no need for formalities. . . . .

On the contrary - using vague terms does not help anyone help you.  You must use the correct terms wherever possible so that everyone has a clear understanding what you mean and are referring to.

You must also be specific in the way you are editing the video/audio ie if you are in Multi-cam mode.  The problem and descriptions appear to indicate thsat you are in muli-cam mode, however you leave us guessing on whether this is correct or not so we cannot determine how you are working with the video/audio.

One comment you made which gives a possible indicator of the problem is . . . . . I moved a clip from the 5th track, with it's audio, into the first and second tracks, in order to edit the next scene. . . . .

If you are using multi-cam mode why are you moving clips to higher tracks? Multi-cam mode this should be autoamtically done for you.

This will mess up multi-cam mode as you are moving objects, ie video and audio, from the place where the mode expects them to be and this is likely to totally mess up the display..

When you saw the empty objects on the timeline and tried to play the timeline was the video and audio displayed in the preview monitor?

John EB

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Scenestealer wrote on 5/7/2015, 6:26 PM

Hi

The only things I could see, were the BOXES that contain the video and audio, in everything I had edited prior to that point, and the raw footage after that point.

I can only imagine you mean that the BOXES are the clips which are still visible in the 2 tracks on the timeline but the image thumbnails and audio graphic data are not visible on the place holders? Are you aware that if you reduce the track height to the minimum that this information disappears?

Ss

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mojoaudioguru wrote on 5/8/2015, 4:02 AM

Thank you, to all that answered. I was NOT in multi-cam mood.  I was in regular mode.  (Am I the only editor that edits more than one camera clip at a time, WITHOUT employing multi-cam mode??) If not 'boxes' nor 'chains,' then should I have referred to them as rectangles? And or links? After all gentlemen, what the hell are we all talking about here?? EDITING! If there are some of you who don't approve of my vernacular, or employed nomenclature, by all means, please forgive my ignorance. However, I have been editing video clips since before non-linear became all the rage. I was merely asking for assistance. Not the Spanish Inquisition. Still, I managed to restore the edit back to normal. (Not knowing how or the why) In the future, it would seem that I should just simply rely on 26 years of editing experience before attempting to disrupt your sanctified forum, for fear of upsetting the draconian order. I will remain in the forbidden 'subculture' that you all seem to hold with disdain. Namely, the 'inappropriate nomenclature' group. I once again sincerely thank those who attempted to assist me. I will now go to the chalk board and write 500 times, "I shall only use the official MAGIX terms, from now on!"  

johnebaker wrote on 5/8/2015, 7:25 AM

Hi

. . . . . Am I the only editor that edits more than one camera clip at a time, WITHOUT employing multi-cam mode?? . . . .

Actually no - I also do not use the multi-cam mode, so you are not alone!

. . . . After all gentlemen, what the hell are we all talking about here?? EDITING! . . . .

Very true - however even this topic has correct terms and definitions so that everyone understands clearly what we are referring to.

. . . . I was merely asking for assistance. Not the Spanish Inquisition. . . . .Namely, the 'inappropriate nomenclature' group . . . .

Assistance you will get here, with no personal insults or hurts intended, similarly no inqusition is intended, Spanish or otherwise - just clarification of what you mean by non-standard terms and phrases.  

. . . . I should just simply rely on 26 years of editing experience before attempting to disrupt your sanctified forum, for fear of upsetting the draconian order. . . . .

The forum is open to anyone using Magix software, sanctification is not a pre-requisite nor do we have a Draconian order - just the forum rules which everyone should follow.

. . . . I will now go to the chalk board and write 500 times, "I shall only use the official MAGIX terms, from now on!" . . . .

No need to use the chalk board - if you are not familiar with the 'Magix language' I would suggest you read the installed PDF manual

Most important of all is that this is a user forum, where you are welcome.  Everyone here tries to help each other, even if it does feel like an inquisition at times when more information or clarification is required. We are here because we want to be, to help others and be helped whenever we need it.

John EB

 

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Scenestealer wrote on 5/8/2015, 6:24 PM

You should already understand what I'm saying.

I still don't.........I think this statement sums up your your attitude......unreal!

Ss

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mojoaudioguru wrote on 5/9/2015, 5:56 PM

"Unreal"?  Seriously?? I can see it'll be a long time before I ever ask for this forum's assistance, again. Not only am I now seriously scarred from the lack of assistance, compassion, and empathy, (With the exception of Scenestealers advice on track height, of course. Which, I then put to the test and figured out that that was the issue.  For that, I thank you, Sir.), but, I now feel less of an accomplished editor, and more like an admonished child, for attempting to ask '...please sir, may I have some more?' I must be the only one on this forum who isn't a hobbiest and uses this brand of editing software to maintain a videography / cinematography business. So, it would seem I shall be forced to continue my quest for MAGIX answers elsewhere, for fear of being treated like a red headed step child. (Who knows? I may just actually read that PDF manual, after all?) God, (Or, whatever deity you subscribe to), forbid I should not follow the forum rules, the next time I foolishly consider asking for assistance. Thank you all so very much, in any case. It was quite an education, indeed.    

Scenestealer wrote on 5/9/2015, 8:28 PM

Just remember- "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"

Ss

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johnebaker wrote on 5/10/2015, 3:36 AM

@mojoaudioguru

. . . . I must be the only one on this forum who isn't a hobbiest and uses this brand of editing software to maintain a videography / cinematography business. . . . .

You are not the only user in this forum who uses Magix software in a business / profession.

In any profession there are many technical terms and phrases which must be used for everyone to clearly communication and understand what is being communicated, the same goes for this forum.

It makes if very difficult for others to help you if you use language which is open to misinterpretation, or worse, meaningless.  See section 3 here.

The result of this, as you have posted, is 'The Spanish Inquisition'  or in our terms - 'determining the facts' or 'getting to the nub of the problem' .

John EB

 

 

 

 

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