Importing Files to Multiple Tracks

RobertMP wrote on 12/4/2018, 4:16 PM

I recently purchased MAGIX Audio & Music Lab Premium to import some wav files based on old 4-track tapes, clean them up, and master them into a merged stereo wav file. The original tapes are recordings of some live performances and include a stereo pair of direct tracks and a stereo pair of room mic tracks. In some cases there are also other separate audio files of portions of the same event. Long ago all these tracks were converted into multiple separate stereo wav files. I just want to import them into AML, clean them up, perform some simple placement editing, and merge them into a single stereo wav file.

I am having no problem importing and cleaning up the first stereo wav file. But when I try to import the second one, it ends up being appended to the end of the first track, doubling the length of the project. What I want is to import to another track, such as 2, 3, or 4. I can see those tracks, I just cannot import to them.

After the second import gets appended to the end of the first track and I can drag it to another track but that is pretty awkward with such long recordings. I have also tried copying and then using the insert feature but it places the copied audio section into the first track, overwriting whatever is in the currently selection position.

Is there any way to import, copy, or paste audio files or selected clips into tracks 2, 3, or 4?

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browj2 wrote on 12/4/2018, 6:21 PM

Hi,

First problem is in understanding how this works. You have 4 tracks that you can play with. Just like any DAW or movie editor, when you press on play, watch the playback marker. It goes from left to right. Whatever it passes over is played, including all tracks. The only way to do what you are saying would be to mute each track but one, then export, change the mute to another track, export, etc. That is not how we use these programs. Thus you have to have one song after the other. The reason that you have more than one track is so that you can make composites. For example, you put a song on track 1 and record narration on track 2, and add sound effects to track 3.

You have confused tracks in the program with tracks on a CD. Not the same at all. You don't play all of the tracks on a CD at the same time; they come one after the other.

You should read the manual. There is a lot that can be done with this program and you will miss out on this.

John CB

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RobertMP wrote on 12/4/2018, 6:48 PM

Thank you browj2 for trying to help. I am an expert DAW user and use Cubase and other DAWS on a regular basis. I fully understand multi-track recording and processing. I fully understand the difference between "tracks" on a CD and "tracks" of audio in a DAW program. In fact, I'm a little disappointed that Magix chose to use that exact same term for both of those elements in this program. I was interested in this program because I have dozens of these live event tape captures to process, and AML has clean up and mastering presets and is exceedingly simple to use. I have read the manual and fully understand the program.

The problem remains though. I cannot seem to get AML to allow me to import audio files into any other track than track 1, and when I copy clip objects or selections from any other track and paste (insert it's called in AML), they always land in track 1, and worse, on top of the present position cursor. I would like to be able to drop audio files and selected audio objects and clips directly into tracks 2, 3, or 4. In the manual it says this is possible if you set the CD Automatic Pause value to zero. That didn't change the behavior at all. If anyone can confirm that this can be done and explain to me how to do it I would be eternally grateful. Maybe I just have something else set wrong or don't know the Magix gesture...

browj2 wrote on 12/4/2018, 6:59 PM

Sorry, got distracted.

Second thing. In order to be able export multiple song from one, arrange them one after the other with a 2 second gap. Put a track marker at the beginning of each song with a name for each. Use the ID3-Editor (shortcut L) and put in the information for each track. When you export audio, you can select to have all tracks in 1 files, or individual files, unless you select to create a CD, in which case it is automatic.

You should normalize everything to get the same upper limit and reduce the gain a bit. Turn on the limiter as well.

It's a great program, but it could use a Mixer. I wonder why Magix didn't include it.

John CB

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browj2 wrote on 12/4/2018, 7:01 PM

Cross-post. I will take a look at this specific problem.

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browj2 wrote on 12/4/2018, 7:11 PM

I can drag and drop to different tracks, but the file always goes to the end, which is normal as this type of program is assuming that you want the linearly, not overlaid. I see what you mean. There is no paste, only insert.

Dragging is difficult as well when there are more items; they drag each other. There must be a way to turn this off. For a start, removing track markers helps somewhat.

I'll have to investigate further, but I'm preparing supper.

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RobertMP wrote on 12/4/2018, 7:29 PM

Thanks a million browj2. I can append to the end of track 1 and then drag/drop to track 2 - 4, but it would sure be easier if I could just put it there in the first place...

browj2 wrote on 12/4/2018, 8:49 PM

Nope, can't find a way to import to the playback marker location. I can drag to a track, but the file always goes to the end.

At least I found Options, Move objects freely. I was looking for ungroup.

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browj2 wrote on 12/4/2018, 9:07 PM

I found something new. Drag something onto a track. It's put at the end of the track that you drag it to. If you want to place it somewhere else, select it, right-click, and either copy or cut.

Switch to range mode, drag a range on the destination track starting at desired insert location. Top menu, Edit, Paste, or Ctrl+V, and the object will be inserted at that location. It looks like there's a bug with the right-click insert as it always inserts onto track 1. The top menu Insert and shortcuts put the copied or cut object on the selected track.

Turn off range mode.

It would certainly be easier if we could just drag and drop at the insertion point.

Does this help any?

John CB

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RobertMP wrote on 12/5/2018, 12:02 AM

Thank you John. The Range mode trick is a great find. I still wish I could import an additional audio file without it being tacked onto the end of track one. But by dragging it to the track I need and then using your Range mode trick to get it place properly I can get through this now. I did find out that having Ripple turned off is critical to preventing prior clip placement work from getting messed up when I drag a clip to a track. And it's not enough to have the button turned off. It must also be turned off in the Options menu. Well at least I have a workable plan to get through this project now. Thank you.

shgrude wrote on 12/5/2018, 2:35 AM

Hi @RobertMP

Disclaimer: I do not have the product.

Just a thought, but if you import first file into track one and then move this to track 2 (or 3 or 4) and then import next file (that will be put in track 1), will that work. Or will it still end up in the extension of track 2?

Alternatively insert a new track into position 1 prior to importing a new file. Keep the marker at positon zero prior to new file import in a hope for it to align with the start of the track and not the and of the longest track.

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RobertMP wrote on 12/5/2018, 12:17 PM

shgrude That's not a bad idea, pushing the main clip to track 2 at the beginning. Maybe the subsequent clips imported will land in a better position on track 1 then. I will try that on the next project.

browj2 wrote on 12/5/2018, 1:25 PM

I have no problem dragging and dropping onto a track, but it is always at the end, not at the location of the playback marker. Thus, my first import went to track 4, the second to track 2, but after the object on track 4. I don't think that this can be changed. I can only assume that Magix determined that importing objects would not part of the same range/audio clip and made the program this way, without a way to change the behaviour.

Unfortunately, I think that this is the last version that Magix will make. SoundForge will get priority.

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browj2 wrote on 12/5/2018, 1:35 PM

Wait, I found it! It was too simple.

Turn on range mode. Draw a range on the track starting where you want the object to be inserted. Click on the file in the file manager, then top menu, Edit, Insert. Repeat.

I put the first one on track 3 at 5 seconds, the second one at the beginning of track 2, the third one at 25s on track 1. Nothing was inserted at the end.

Whew!

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RobertMP wrote on 12/5/2018, 3:00 PM

Wow John that is fantastic! I will try it myself tonight for confirmation. That will make my life SO much easier on this project!

cfxcorp wrote on 5/14/2019, 8:07 AM

I am trying to do something similar. Manuals are not very instructive, just informative of a feature, a function, describing layout, etc. -- but not very good at telling you how to do something.

Lots of questions on the forum about spitting a stereo track. The SF ACL version refers to it as Split Stereo Channel and Isolate Stereo Channel. Right click on the track, select to Split Stereo Channel, and the result for me is that my left channel disappears, apparently saved to a file in a SF ACL work folder. It is not added to another track, no option to place somewhere in the working track layout, no choice as to which one "disappears", no instruction how to get it back in, etc.

I found the tracks in the SF ACL work folder, tried to Load Audio File, and it does what @RobertMP discovered, paste onto track 1 which is my video channel track. This shouldn't be so hard to figure out! A better manual or training tutorials should be a GIVEN in 2018-19 era of apps and programs.

I just tried what @shgrude suggested and the program crashed.... again.

cfxcorp wrote on 5/14/2019, 8:47 AM

I restarted the app. Reloaded my video file (stereo audio L=camera mic, R=audio mixer feed). Activated a 2nd track. Split Stereo Channel. Dragged the Right Channel to Track 2. Regardless of the RIpple Mode, the Load Audio File of the ...RIGHT.WAV file that was saved when Split Stereo Channels was performed, appends to the position at the end of the Video channel, but on Track 1. If Lock/Ripple/Freely moving objects" is toggled to Ripple or Freely mode, the newly inserted object can be dragged to the left starting position of the project.

The process preserved my left and right channels. Thought all is well, but the result was that the video and audio endings are now about 60 seconds off for a 19m19s video (original rendered file), the video having ended 1 minute earlier, the audio and video are in sync, SF ACL just cut the video off

I repeated the process, this time making sure that I was in LOCK mode, changing to FREELY mode when ready to drag the ...LEFT.WAV file to the left starting position, and the video was kept intact this time..