Hi Terry

I get the following:

Home key - 00:00  

End key - 5:00

I should have been clearer. I suspect that's not the reading you get in the time indicator after clicking anywhere in the KF timeline and then pressing the End key as I did. If so, that would be baffling. I always get 2 frames before the end. So a 2 s image will give 01:23 etc. If I change the project bit rate from 25 to 50 fps then  that would become 01:48, etc.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/MEP-InconsistentEnd.jpg

 

Click end of KF timeline 4:24

Same for me, and that's the result I would expect (0, 1, 2...24 = 25 frames = 1 s). I'd expect pressing the End key to give that same result.

Note you cannot get 5:00 on the KF timeline because it is not accessible and you cannot zoom out to make it accessible.

That seems to confirm my earlier comment. You must be pressing the End key before clicking in the KF timeline. So you're going to the end of the project, which in the case of a single 5 s image at t=0 will be 05:00.

Hi Terry

. . . . So that's the reading you get in the time indicator (top left of the preview monitor) after clicking anywhere in the KF timeline and then pressing the End key? . . .

Yes it is the preview monitor reading.

Have asked in your other post for your MEP version number.

John

Hi Terry and John,

Here is my take on the logic.

When you press End on the timeline, the playback marker goes to the end of the project, and the end of the last object, ready for a new one. On the kf line, the playback marker disappears to the right. All is as it should be.

On the kf timeline, end should go to the beginning of the last frame to be able to place a kf there, not after the last frame.

Here is where the second logic breaks down.

I confirm what you indicated about End on the kf timeline, but I seem to have a slight variation. I have a 05:00s image. If I do End on the kf timeline, the playback marker goes 3 frames back in my case. I am using 29.97 fps, and the preview monitor indicates frame 27 instead of 29, which I assume is not what it is supposed to do. Any kf applied here is applied to the second last frame and the last frame has the same size. However, if I then go to End on the kf timeline (zoomed in to single frame), the playback goes to frame 27 and on to the kf. If I use the right arrow key to move 1 frame to the right, I get 29, not 28; and then left goes back to 27, completely skipping 28. If I then slide the kf to the end, it goes to frame 29 and then the left arrow key now goes to 28. Strange and something to remember.

I wonder what Magix would have to say about this.

Using MEP 2014 Plus, 13.0.5.4.

Hi John CB,

Thanks for the confirmation. I'm not too surprised the quirk gets quirkier with a BR of 29.97.

I copied Ralf on my first post and will let you know of any feedback.

Looks like a bug to me.

Hi Terry

. . . . So that's the reading you get in the time indicator (top left of the preview monitor) after clicking anywhere in the KF timeline and then pressing the End key? . . .

Yes it is the preview monitor reading.

Have asked in your other post for your MEP version number.

John

Hi Terry

. . . . So that's the reading you get in the time indicator (top left of the preview monitor) after clicking anywhere in the KF timeline and then pressing the End key? . . .

Yes it is the preview monitor reading.

Have asked in your other post for your MEP version number.

John

 

Hi John,

Pressing End key after clicking in KF timeline? Very strange. As you see, John CB confirms the discrepancy that I get.

I don't understand how to square your "End key - 5:00" with your later point that this is not displayed in the KF timeline?

Not at PC right now but from memory I think it's 13.0.5.4 (UDC2).

(MEP 2014, as per my screenshot.)

Hi terry

Apologies - reread your sequence - after clicking the KF timeline I was clicking back to the timeline before pressing Home / End, so the KF timeline was not active

Following your sequence exactly I get the same as you 4:23 and it is independant on whether there are KFs present or not.

John CB's 3 frames difference may be explained by (?)  - 29.97 frames is not a whole number of frames so MEP takes the length as the number of whole frames (29)  then subtracts 2 = 27 so the end is 4:27 (maybe) .

Video with a frame rate of 30fps I would expect the end to be 4:28 but I get 4:29 !!!!!.

Inconsistent or what !

Do you have any 30 fps to confirm my result?

John

Video with a frame rate of 30fps I would expect the end to be 4:28 but I get 4:29 !!!!!.

Inconsistent or what !

Do you have any 30 fps to confirm my result?

 

Hi John EB,

I opened a new movie and changed its frame rate from 25 to 30 fps. I found a short 30 fps clip and imported it. As it was under 2 s I changed its duration to exactly 01:00 (30 frames in total) and placed it at t = 0.

With the clip at the start of the main timeline I clicked the empty KF timeline and on pressing the End key the marker went to 00:28, two frames from the end as before, not 00:29.

I assume your 5 s clip started at exactly zero?

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Hi John CB,

I opened a new movie and changed its frame rate from 25 to 29.97 fps and then imported a clip reported as 29.97 fps (I've never grasped why such a 'standard' exists, so close to 30). I adjusted its length to 05:00. Pressing End while in the KF timeline gave 04:27. Pressing the right arrow key took it to 04:29! No sign of 04:28, just as you found. Another press gave 05:00.

All very puzzling and reinforces my suspicion of obscure bugs.

BTW, I tred to rename that movie tab to '29.97' to minimise possible confusion. But it seems that it's impossible to include a full stop/period/decimal point in a movie name!

Using MEP 2014 Premium 13.0.5.4 (UDC2)

Hi Terry

. . . . Using MEP 2014 Premium 13.0.5.4 (UDC2) . . . .

At least we both are singing the same hymn sheet on the version !

As you say looks like a bug which is definitely inconsistent.

Heres another one using 25fps:-

1. As before after pressing End  and getting to 4:28, click the KF timeline cursor without moving it, then press End again - I get 4:27.
2. Click the KF cursor without moving it - the value changes to 4:28 

? ? ?

John

Hi All

I can't say I see too much unexpected behaviour at my end but one interesting thing is that after hitting end in the KFramer, it will place a KF at the start of the last frame only - but if you click in the timeline and hit end it will place a KF at the end of the last frame ie. the 5.00 second mark. You can never see this in the KFramer but if you show the curve in the timeline object it will be visible if you drag the clip longer, and it is definitely active.

Peter

Hi Peter,

Are you saying that you don't get the same results as John CB, John EB and me? From your opening comments above it seems that, after clicking in the KF timeline and pressing the End key, your orange marker is not going to two frames left of the RH edge? Which is baffling if so.

What fps is your project?

Also, I'm not clear about the distinction you make between 'hitting end in the KFramer' (the End key? After just selecting the object and doing nothing else?) and 'click in the timeline and hit end'. Is that the main timeline or the KF timeline? And the End key?

Hi Terry

Yes, as of yesterday I was getting only one frame short of 5 secs regardless of the project frame rate and object frame rate. Now I am getting 2??.

'hitting end in the KFramer' (the End key? After just selecting the object and doing nothing else?) Select the object, select the effect so that the KF placing symbol is active, click in KF timeline somewhere, hit end key, place KF

and 'click in the timeline and hit end'. Is that the main timeline or the KF timeline? And the End key? The main timeline aka Arranger.

What has become apparent after playing around is that the Key "Framer" is not frame dependent at all, so this might explain something relevant to these discussions! It is purely dependent on time, witnessed by the fact that you can place many KFs in the space of one frame and have the effect vary within one frame.

Peter