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ralftaro wrote on 6/20/2018, 8:55 AM

Independence is the sample workstation from which most of the software instruments in Music Maker and Samplitude Music Studio (i.e. the "Vita solo instruments") have been derived. Each Vita solo instrument comes with a customized and simplified user interface, compared to the interface of the big Independence version, but the underlying technology and the actual instrument sample content originates from Independence. If you do own e.g. the 70GB pro version of Independence, you could certainly also use this in conjunction with Music Maker or Samplitude Music Studio, just like any other, external VST instrument. (Just make sure to use the 32bit version of the plug-in DLL for Music Maker.)

browj2 wrote on 6/20/2018, 9:35 AM

@ralftaro

Hi Ralf,

I have never been able to get Independence (not the standalone version) to work with MusicMaker; Samplitude Music Studio and Samplitude Pro X whatever, no problem. Have you been able to make it work with MusicMaker?

John CB

fan-boy wrote on 6/20/2018, 12:52 PM

asking , cause Magix removed the "Premium" instruments from producer planet , and replaced it with Independence Library "addons" . IL Pro is 330 in the "Pro plugins addon" at Magix , Music category . then they show 9 more libraries which totals an extra 800 ( about 1200 total ! ) . Well , those 9 additional libraries , are the same 9 , that are now on producer planet . "IL Pro" for 330 is NOT on producer planet .

mostly was wondering if the sound quality is superior to that of the "Premium" instruments that come with MM , SMS . ? ( IL at 70 gig verses MM\SMS at about 7 gig ) I would expect IL to have more articulation ability and higher quality sound samples . I can't find much talk about IL .

I have read that Premium Instruments were recorded at 16 bit 44.1 khz . I have no idea how IL Samples were recorded .

P.S. you won't find IL in the "More Instruments" button , at Magix . IL is in the "Pro plugins" section .

robertNC wrote on 6/20/2018, 3:52 PM

Will independence ever be updated and expanded? I think some far-out native effects, similar to Zynaptiq or Omnisphere, and an updated interface would be nice. ,

johnebaker wrote on 6/20/2018, 5:24 PM

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . I have never been able to get Independence (not the standalone version) to work with MusicMaker; Samplitude Music Studio and Samplitude Pro X whatever, no problem. . . .

I finally got Independence Free working correctly with MMM - the issue I had was with the library not populating correctly, once I downloaded the library, ran the installer and did a repair the installation resolved itself.

HTH

John EB

fan-boy wrote on 6/21/2018, 10:23 AM

https://www.magix.com/us/free-download/independence-free-sampler-software
total download is almost 2.5 gig

try  IL Free ,  with a  host application ,  use  Music Maker  Free

 

Music Maker Premium 2018  works with  VST plugins 32 bit

C:\Program Files (x86)\Vstplugins\MAGIX\Independence\VSTPlugins32

 

Samplitude Music Studio works with  VST plugins  64 bit

C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins\MAGIX\Independence\VSTPlugins64


2.2 gig of Samples are installed here :
C:\Program Files (x86)\MAGIX\Independence Libraries\Independence Free
( save these , so you don't need to download them again )


when you look at your  "List of Synths"  in  MM  and  SMS
there will be a new entry named :  Independence
which is something like  the  entry :  Vita
one name , acts as a  Host , to all of it's  synths


to use your  computer keyboard to play notes ,
you need a host application such as  MM  or  SMS


i can NOT find a  MIDI Editor inside of  IL


IL  interface is somewhat like  Vita ,...a generalized interface for all of it's  synths

the included  E. Piano sounds really bad
the included  acoustic guitar sounds really good
Magix  "Electric Piano" sounds really good ( one of the  MM  SMS  synths )

the dedicated synths of  MM and SMS  are kind of nice .
especially  the  "Vintage Organ" something of a  Hammond B3
with it's  EQ  Slider bars , etc ,...

IL  does NOT have that intimate interface for the instruments .
same is true with  Vita .  only a generalized , "one interface for all" of it's synths .

ralftaro wrote on 6/22/2018, 7:42 AM

Hi all,

@browj2

John, I heard of such problems before, but don't seem be able to confirm them in the current Music Maker generation. I suppose it was never much of an issue in support, since most Music Maker users were happily using their Vita 2 and Vita solo instruments, and the Independence package was working for the Samplitude users. I'll keep my eyes on this situation. It seems to be working for me right now. There's another major Music Maker update due in the next few weeks as well. If you ever feel the inclination to play around with Music Maker and Independence again, maybe you want to wait for that new version and start from a clean slate. The new version will become available as an update to all users of the current Music Maker generation (25.x), regardless of whether you have one of the paid-for editions or even the completely free version. (In order to be able to use external VSTi plug-ins, you'd still need to have at least the "Creative Suite" feature pack unlocked, though.)

@fan-boy

I'm not aware of any quality differences of the sample content in the big 70GB version compared to the smaller Independence library or the Vita (solo instruments) that have been derived from it. The difference is really just in the amount of content that is included, with the 70GB version including the full original Independence content. (In the meantime, there have been new sources of sample content for more recent Vita solo instruments, which are not included in that original 70GB Independence content. That new content would e.g. come from the various software instruments released by "Best Service" during the past few years, which were using the underlying technology of YellowTools/Independence as their sample player software.)

 

browj2 wrote on 6/22/2018, 8:04 AM

@ralftaro

Hi Ralf,

Thanks for the information. I'll wait for the update before trying again to open Independence in MMM. I have the full 70 GB, which works well, of course, in Samplitude Pro X3 Suite. The Yellow Tools interface needs a facelift, according to many members of the Samplitude forum. You may want to take a look there, or talk to Kraznet (Martin). In any event, if Independence works with MMM, which it seems to, this is a huge selling point for both.

@fan-boy

If you haven't already joined, there is a dedicated Samplitude forum here where you will find a lot of information about Independence. Also, Kraznet has done several YouTube tutorials about Independence.

John CB

fan-boy wrote on 6/22/2018, 10:14 PM

haven't been to the SMS forum yet , will get there now .

good to hear the sound Sample's quality is the same. for all synths . best I can tell , ALL Samples are at 24 bit 44.1 khz including the Premium synths of Music Maker , just that MM max's in program at 16 bit 44.1 khz rendering . i only use 44.1 khz clock , with sound card set to 44.1 khz , anyway .

in SMS , one time i was using 96 khz , and for some reason ALL Premium synths were playing at about half octave low . that's why i only use 44.1 khz now . to make sure the pitches are all correct . 48 khz would offset the pitch and keyboard by about 10 %

so , size of the Library does NOT determine synth audio quality . good to know , less variety though . must be lots and lots of less variety ,...the Premium synth count is 40 synths at about 7 gig bytes . while Independence is 70 gig bytes . where can anyone find out what is exactly in the 70 gig Library ? 70 gig ! i just can't imagine what more it could have .

MM25 worked right away with Independence Free . I directed MM25 VST settings to use the Independence VST32 folder , as noted above , and it works . ALL these programs use the same ASIO dialogue to select the sound card , i had to set that inside of Independence . i had gotten all of the important plugins for MM25 , so i guess i got the VST creative plugin . ( it sounded important at the time , didn't know Independence would be making use of it :) i didn't even know the word "Independence" ,...i do now .

"Best Service" , hmmm , that might explain the 9 new additional Independence Libraries . sporting an almost 900 price tag , for all 9 . yikes !

ralftaro wrote on 6/26/2018, 7:46 AM
so , size of the Library does NOT determine synth audio quality . good to know , less variety though . must be lots and lots of less variety ,...the Premium synth count is 40 synths at about 7 gig bytes . while Independence is 70 gig bytes . where can anyone find out what is exactly in the 70 gig Library ? 70 gig ! i just can't imagine what more it could have .

 

You can find an official version comparison chart here:

https://www.magix.com/gb/music/independence/version-comparison/

 

browj2 wrote on 7/11/2018, 7:58 AM

@ralftaro

I see that the new version of Music Maker is out. Nothing shows up in the current MM for the program update. Is the new version a new install or an update to the existing version?

Thanks,

John CB

ralftaro wrote on 7/11/2018, 9:40 AM

Hi John,

The update to the new version (27.x) will ultimately be available via the update procedure within the program (i.e. from version 25.x). It just isn't yet right now. From what I understand, development is still fine-tuning some minor bits of this updating procedure, as it entails an automated uninstallation of the old version, followed by the installation of the new product generation. It's not as trivial as a regular program patch. You will first receive another generation 25.x program patch, which will essentially prepare the program's update mechanism for the big update that will then be downloaded. Since we have now a very big number of (free) Music Maker 25 users, who will all receive this update, I believe development wants to make extra sure to iron out any potential snags in this update process. It did already seem to work fine for me in our internal tests, though.

If you don't want to wait for this to happen, you can already manually uninstall your Music Maker 25, and grab the current version from our website:

http://dl03.magix.net/musicmaker.exe

Enjoy!

johnebaker wrote on 7/11/2018, 9:56 AM

@browj2

Looks like the 25.x patch is now available - mine has just patched to 25.1.3.84

John EB

emmrecs wrote on 7/11/2018, 10:37 AM

@browj2

Looks like the 25.x patch is now available - mine has just patched to 25.1.3.84

John EB

Ditto here.

Jeff

Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Intel i7 Quad Core 6700K @ 4GHz, 32 GB RAM, AMD Radeon R7 360 and Intel HD530 Graphics, MOTU 8-Pre f/w audio interface, VPX(8), MEP 2018, Music Maker 25, Photo Story Deluxe, Photo Manager Deluxe, Xara 3D Maker 7, Reaper, Adobe Audition CS6 and CC, 2 x Canon HG10 cameras, 1 x Canon EOS 600D

browj2 wrote on 7/11/2018, 12:56 PM

Hi,

The patch to 25.1.3.84 didn't show up on my Surface Pro 4 this morning, so I downloaded and installed the free version (27.0.0.16). It asked to delete the previous version and I accepted.

I just checked on my desktop and the patch was available, so I updated to it and I'll wait for version 27.

@ralftaro

I tested Independence with the patched MM and it still crashes after selecting an instrument. I don't have Independence on my Surface Pro so can't test it. I'll wait for version 27 and test again. It works fine with Samplitude Pro X3 Suite, but I'm wondering if there is something further that needs to be done. Independence just showed up in the menu of MM without me doing anything.

John CB

fan-boy wrote on 7/11/2018, 1:27 PM

I am still testing trying out , Independence Free 2 gig library . Independence version 3.2 works just fine with 32 bit VST in Music Maker 2018 25.78 version . Independence has some advanced techniques in it's interface , i am still looking into it ,...Articulation tweaking , looks extensive ( enhanced AHDSR ) . Still , waiting on license verification of Independence , is it Standard or Unlimited ? producerplanet says the license is "Standard" .

fan-boy wrote on 7/11/2018, 1:38 PM

updating ,...good Tip from Magix :

if someone is in the middle of a project ,...it might be best to finish the project using the current version . it is possible the updade patch could Break that project , Video game updates have been known to Break Saved Games ...ie "your saved progress\work": is no longer valid . if no projects are in the works , then updating should be ok ,.. and .hopefully , all previous projects will continue to load .

johnebaker wrote on 7/11/2018, 2:02 PM

@browj2@emmrecs

Checking through the MMM after the patch 25.1.3.84 I have had to add all my Soundpools again to MMM.

Can you confirm if you have had to do this?

John EB

shgrude wrote on 7/11/2018, 2:56 PM

@johnebaker

I have performed the MMM 25.1.3.84 patch and have all instruments, sound pools, loops etc available (AFAICS)

EDIT: Although possible important, I also have the MMM v 24.1.6.127 (UDP3) installed on the PC, which is an MSI GT72VR With the following spec (Windows 10 Home 1803 With todays patch 2018-07 (KB4338819) installed prior to the MMM 25.1.3.86 patch:

ProcessorIntel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz

Operating systemMicrosoft Windows NT 6.2.9200.0 64-biters

MemoryAvailable: 16 731 124 bytes, Free: 11 012 016 bytes

Sound CardNVIDIA High Definition Audio (ok)
Realtek High Definition Audio (ok)
NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible) (WDM) (ok)

Graphics CardNVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 1920x1080

Last changed by shgrude on 7/11/2018, 3:05 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6700HQ CPU @ 2.60GHz
Operating system: Microsoft Windows NT 6.2.9200.0 64-biters
Memory: 16GB
Sound Card: NVIDIA High Definition Audio
Realtek High Definition Audio
NVIDIA Virtual Audio Device (Wave Extensible) (WDM)
Graphics Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 1920x1080

johnebaker wrote on 7/11/2018, 3:43 PM

@shgrude

Thanks for confirming that the patch did not affect your soundpools.

John EB

emmrecs wrote on 7/11/2018, 3:47 PM

@browj2@emmrecs

Checking through the MMM after the patch 25.1.3.84 I have had to add all my Soundpools again to MMM.

Can you confirm if you have had to do this?

John EB

Hi John EB.

No, as far as I can tell on a very quick check, all my Soundpools etc. are still there following the update, no need to add them again.

Another Magix puzzle for you?

Jeff

Win 10 Pro 64 bit, Intel i7 Quad Core 6700K @ 4GHz, 32 GB RAM, AMD Radeon R7 360 and Intel HD530 Graphics, MOTU 8-Pre f/w audio interface, VPX(8), MEP 2018, Music Maker 25, Photo Story Deluxe, Photo Manager Deluxe, Xara 3D Maker 7, Reaper, Adobe Audition CS6 and CC, 2 x Canon HG10 cameras, 1 x Canon EOS 600D

browj2 wrote on 7/11/2018, 6:53 PM

@johnebaker

Likewise, all Soundpools and Instruments showed up in both the patch on my desktop and the new version on my Surface Pro.

For anyone who got Acid Pro 7 with a Humble Bundle, they can also be added to Soundpools. Some of them were a bit off, I think the instruments may have been incorrect in some cases, but they all showed up. I hope they will with version 27.

I noticed that VariVerb II is in the Store for sale. I got it with a Music Studio purchase a few years ago. It always worked in MM; now it doesn't and MM would not accept the activation code. Looks like another pain to go along with instruments purchased previously prior to the invention of the in-app Store. Not happy.

John CB

ralftaro wrote on 7/12/2018, 5:57 AM
I noticed that VariVerb II is in the Store for sale. I got it with a Music Studio purchase a few years ago. It always worked in MM; now it doesn't and MM would not accept the activation code. Looks like another pain to go along with instruments purchased previously prior to the invention of the in-app Store. Not happy.

Hi John,

There shouldn't be any problem using the VariVerb II effect plug-in in your Music Maker, seeing as how you have it as a separate plug-in with its own authentication system etc. Just make sure you set everything up as per this procedure:

First of all, make sure you got the proper plug-in version installed. You can perform the installation again from the following link:

http://dl03.magix.net/variverbII_int.exe

Next, make sure to point the VST plug-in path in Music Maker to the location of the plug-in on your hard drive (32bit version, that is). Now you should be able to find the entry for VariVerb under the VST FX section in Music Maker. If you did have to completely reinstall the plug-in prior to this, you'll probably be prompted for the VariVerb serial number again. Find this in your MAGIX pro-audio/Samplitude account, or contact our customer service, if you no longer have the serial on file.

I just tested this and it works fine for me. There shouldn't be any conflict between the in-app store version of VariVerb and your independent plug-in version. (The latter would essentially act like any third-party VST plug-in in Music Maker, regardless of the fact that it's from MAGIX.)

Hope this helps!