KF editing: quirks and puzzles

terrypin wrote on 3/19/2017, 12:54 PM

We've discussed various aspects of selecting and editing KFs over the years but I still seem to keep finding more oddities and possible bugs. Here's a few I've been pondering this afternoon:

1. Using Image size/position > Edit effects curve...
I've found no circumstances in which the 'Values' option is accessible. Shouldn't it always be?

2. Having played around with the various settings in that dialog, is there no way to reset, apart from closing it and then using Reset on the video object?

3. Four years ago we established in this thread
https://www.magix.info/uk/forum/changing-multiple-kfs-bug--1046799/
that changing a dozen or two KFs at once was not possible without using that feature. (I think! And unless we've since discussed it again in a thread I haven't found.)

As a learning exercise I created four KFs with zooms of 10, 20, 30 and 40 as shown here:

I want to change them all to a zoom of say 50. So I open the curve editor using the drop-down arrow to the right of Image size/position... But so far I've not found the winning combination of settings to achieve my aim.

So I tried this, in vain:

4. This quirk puzzles me. I'm fond of typing numbers directly into the zoom box, but I'm now finding this trickier than I think it was in MEP 2014:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/ZoomBox-1a.mp4

 

 

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johnebaker wrote on 3/19/2017, 5:52 PM

Hi Terry

 

  1. Using Image size/position > Edit effects curve... I've found no circumstances in which the 'Values' option is accessible. Shouldn't it always be? . . . .

    Do you mean the Edit Effects curve option from the dropdown alongside the Image/size/position in the keyframe pane? If so then I do not get any dialog at all - can you detail the sequence of what you did from adding the effects to getting that dialog please.

    From previous posts it appears you normally work in % units in the Image/size/position effects dialog, I would suggest that the dialog you have is picking up the units you used in the original application of the effect and can only be changed in that dialog and not the one you show above.
     
  2. . . . . using Reset on the video object . . . .

    Do you mean the total reset of all effects on that object or the effects dialog reset button just above the Preview button in the dialog?
     
  3. . . . . .changing a dozen or two KFs at once was not possible without using that feature. . . .

    I presume you mean Ctrl+click the required keyframes and then use the Edit effects dialog which I don't get.
     
  4. With this one I am getting confused (not difficult after a long day like today) - the images above show you are using MEP 2016, however the video shows MEP Premium

Just to add I also do not get the Edit effects curve dialog in MEP Premium.

John EB

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browj2 wrote on 3/19/2017, 8:17 PM

Hi,

I have never used this feature. Opened, didn't understand anything, never went back until now. I figured that if I could figure out the Object Editor, then I should be able to figure this one out.

1. Why value does not always show, I could not find. However, if you right-click of the clip, Movement, Zoom-in or out, then open Edit effects curve, Value is checked by default (at least in MEP2016), and you can switch between it and % for both cases - Move position, Stretch/Compress. But if you add a kf, nothing works. Delete the kf, close and reopen the Editor and Value works again. Same thing happens with Movement, Pan....

Next try another effect like Brightness. Put in a few kf'swith different levels, open the Edit effects curve, and Value works.

So there is something with manually inputting kf's that causes the dialogue box stop the use of Value.

2. Reset - with the curve editor open, I did a reset of the Size/Position kf'sand the dialogue box went grey. As soon as I inserted a kf, still with Size/Position, the dialogue box came back to life, but it didn't work right. Time added in one of more kf's. So the only way to get it to work properly was to close/open the curve editor.

3. I persisted and found ways to get zoom to 50 for all kf's. With your 10, 20, 30, 40 kf's, select kf 40, open curve editor, put 5 under Stretch/Compress, Effect, hit the plus 4 times to get to 0. The other 3 will now be a 0. Now hit the - key 5 times to get to 50. Check - all 4 should be at 50. The problem is this affects the position and the image is no longer centred.

As per your method using Move position, put 10 in Effects. Press the down arrow 4 times. The zoom changes to 10 and stops there. Now press on the up arrow 4 times and the zoom goes to 50. Check the others, they are all at 50, but the images are not centred.

Since I am still a novice at this, I was not sure what was happening (and still not). I turned on the effects curves for width, height, X and Y-pos and watched what happened. With Image size/position selected, I played with the Effects in the curve editor. Move position Effect moves the curves up and down. Stretch/compress Effect moves the curves closer together.

Move/Position Time moves the kf to the left or right and the others follow proportionately, and the curves move left and right, shrinking or expanding horizontally.

Stretch/Compress Time does the same, so far as I can tell.

I'm starting to understand.

Now select Width and do the same exercises.

Strange thing is, with width select, adjusting Move/position Effect up and down moves the x-pos curve, but nothing changes beside Position left. Conversely, up and down with Stretch/Compress Effect moves the width curve up and down, position left changes also, but nothing happens to the x-pos curve. Why is that?

After all of that, other than shifting the kf's left and right proportionately, what is the usefulness of Effects for Size/Position?

I watched what happens using the Effect for Move position, and I now understand - the image shrinks down towards the lower left of itself, with the bottom staying at the bottom of its original self.

Haven't figured out the Stretch/Compress logic for Size/Position though. I'll have to look at some other effect.

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browj2 wrote on 3/19/2017, 9:49 PM

Still learning.

I used brightness, made a zigzag curve - dramatic increases and decreases. Played with the Stretch/Compress Effect. Increasing causes the kf's to increase or decrease depending on the curve. So low points get lower, high points get higher. Decreasing levels out the points such that high points decrease and low points increase. Put that in the context of Size/Position and things may go all over the place or converge. I understand better now

4. Terry, in MEP2016, holding down the mouse button in the zoom number box and dragging up and down causes the numbers to change. I noticed that the slider also moved in your 2017 and in my VPX, but it doesn't in MEP2016. When you go left and right, you are not going perfectly horizontal, so the numbers change slowly; up and down works. Clicking in the box and using the mouse wheel also works. If you weren't holding down your left button, then you may have a sticky button (or a hungry mouse).

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terrypin wrote on 3/20/2017, 4:28 AM

Hi Terry

 

  1. Using Image size/position > Edit effects curve... I've found no circumstances in which the 'Values' option is accessible. Shouldn't it always be? . . . .

    Do you mean the Edit Effects curve option from the dropdown alongside the Image/size/position in the keyframe pane? If so then I do not get any dialog at all - can you detail the sequence of what you did from adding the effects to getting that dialog please.

    From previous posts it appears you normally work in % units in the Image/size/position effects dialog, I would suggest that the dialog you have is picking up the units you used in the original application of the effect and can only be changed in that dialog and not the one you show above.
     
  2. . . . . using Reset on the video object . . . .

    Do you mean the total reset of all effects on that object or the effects dialog reset button just above the Preview button in the dialog?
     
  3. . . . . .changing a dozen or two KFs at once was not possible without using that feature. . . .

    I presume you mean Ctrl+click the required keyframes and then use the Edit effects dialog which I don't get.
     
  4. With this one I am getting confused (not difficult after a long day like today) - the images above show you are using MEP 2016, however the video shows MEP Premium

Just to add I also do not get the Edit effects curve dialog in MEP Premium.

John EB

[I gave up trying to quote individual sections above! How do you do that? I'll try to master it on another occasion 🙂 ]

Do you mean the Edit Effects curve option from the dropdown alongside the Image/size/position in the keyframe pane?

Yes.

If so then I do not get any dialog at all - can you detail the sequence of what you did from adding the effects to getting that dialog please.

Strange! Here's what I do, with or without effects added:

From previous posts it appears you normally work in % units in the Image/size/position effects dialog, I would suggest that the dialog you have is picking up the units you used in the original application of the effect and can only be changed in that dialog and not the one you show above.

No, doesn't appear to make any difference. (And my normal usage is pixels.)

Do you mean the total reset of all effects on that object or the effects dialog reset button just above the Preview button in the dialog?

Neither. I mean resetting "the various settings in that dialog..." IOW, any numbers entered and then up or down arrows applied several times (not displayed in the dialog) to be restored to the default, so that on closing it the object would have had no size/position edits made by that dialog.

I presume you mean Ctrl+click the required keyframes and then use the Edit effects dialog which I don't get.

Yes.

...the images above show you are using MEP 2016, however the video shows MEP Premium

I tried both MEP 2016 and 2017, which gave same behaviour. Just happened to be in the latter when I rendered the video.

@John CB: Have to go out for a few hours so will get to your reply later. Spent hours on this yesterday; must try to get some productive work done today. Oh for a decent tutorial on the subject!

 

Terry, East Grinstead, UK. PC: i7 6700K, 4.0 GHz, 32GB with Win 10 pro. Used many earlier versions of MEPP, currently mainly MEPP 2016 & 2017 (Using scores of macro scripts to add functionality, tailored to these versions.)

terrypin wrote on 3/20/2017, 4:55 AM

Hi,

I have never used this feature. Opened, didn't understand anything, never went back until now. I figured that if I could figure out the Object Editor, then I should be able to figure this one out.

1. Why value does not always show, I could not find. However, if you right-click of the clip, Movement, Zoom-in or out, then open Edit effects curve, Value is checked by default (at least in MEP2016), and you can switch between it and % for both cases - Move position, Stretch/Compress. But if you add a kf, nothing works. Delete the kf, close and reopen the Editor and Value works again. Same thing happens with Movement, Pan....

Next try another effect like Brightness. Put in a few kf'swith different levels, open the Edit effects curve, and Value works.

So there is something with manually inputting kf's that causes the dialogue box stop the use of Value.

Agreed, and very strange that a set of KFs added automatically (e.g. via Movement) should allow full use of the dialog, but the same set added manually does not!

2. Reset - with the curve editor open, I did a reset of the Size/Position kf'sand the dialogue box went grey. As soon as I inserted a kf, still with Size/Position, the dialogue box came back to life, but it didn't work right. Time added in one of more kf's. So the only way to get it to work properly was to close/open the curve editor.

[P.S. I'm having no trouble quoting/unquoting this time. Replying earlier to John EB's post, I was getting additional number entries added. Probably not enough coffee at that stage...]

Yes, same behaviour here.

3. I persisted and found ways to get zoom to 50 for all kf's. With your 10, 20, 30, 40 kf's, select kf 40, open curve editor, put 5 under Stretch/Compress, Effect, hit the plus 4 times to get to 0. The other 3 will now be a 0. Now hit the - key 5 times to get to 50. Check - all 4 should be at 50. The problem is this affects the position and the image is no longer centred.

As per your method using Move position, put 10 in Effects. Press the down arrow 4 times. The zoom changes to 10 and stops there. Now press on the up arrow 4 times and the zoom goes to 50. Check the others, they are all at 50, but the images are not centred.

Since I am still a novice at this, I was not sure what was happening (and still not). I turned on the effects curves for width, height, X and Y-pos and watched what happened. With Image size/position selected, I played with the Effects in the curve editor. Move position Effect moves the curves up and down. Stretch/compress Effect moves the curves closer together.

Move/Position Time moves the kf to the left or right and the others follow proportionately, and the curves move left and right, shrinking or expanding horizontally.

Stretch/Compress Time does the same, so far as I can tell.

I'm starting to understand.

Now select Width and do the same exercises.

Strange thing is, with width select, adjusting Move/position Effect up and down moves the x-pos curve, but nothing changes beside Position left. Conversely, up and down with Stretch/Compress Effect moves the width curve up and down, position left changes also, but nothing happens to the x-pos curve. Why is that?

After all of that, other than shifting the kf's left and right proportionately, what is the usefulness of Effects for Size/Position?

I watched what happens using the Effect for Move position, and I now understand - the image shrinks down towards the lower left of itself, with the bottom staying at the bottom of its original self.

Haven't figured out the Stretch/Compress logic for Size/Position though. I'll have to look at some other effect.

Thanks John, nice work, we're making progress. But ... what a mess! It has to be easier than this to (for example) change 30 KFs on a symbol from size 8 to size 6! I may try doing it with a macro later today. (BTW, happily I note that the zoom box in which I enter 8 or 6 etc is always a percentage of its original size, impervious to that 'Value/%' setting.)

I'll get to your second interesting post later today.

 

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Scenestealer wrote on 3/20/2017, 6:49 AM

Hi All

I think we went through this fairly thoroughly a while back but the key thing to remember is that the Edit Effects Curve window is only for manipulating the Curve as a whole and not for changing some individual KF's. I think it is fairly well designed to discourage you from changing some parameters that would make others nonsense.

Having said that:- If you want to change the strength of the Zoom you need to select only the Width and Height boxes by Ctrl Clicking each so they turn blue and then Rt click the pair and open the Curve Editor, which will say Width and Height in the title bar at the top. If you select the whole Size / Position set of KF's and then change the curve it stands to reason that the X and Y Posn KF's will change by the set Strength % and may not end up in a position you desire.

To change a bunch of KF's to the same value you would work on the main KF timeline editor window, selecting the diamonds for the parameters you want to change with Ctrl Click and Shift Click and then entering a new Zoom factor, or via copy KF's and Paste KF's. BTW this has not been made easy by the fact that the selected KF's only change shade/colour subtly in MEP2016 and do not turn blue like they previously did.

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johnebaker wrote on 3/20/2017, 9:06 AM

Hi Terry

. . . . I gave up trying to quote individual sections above! How do you do that? I'll try to master it on another occasion . . .

Copy and paste - I find this better than actually quoting the whole section.

The 'big secret' when using either of the bullet formats is Shift + Enter - this gives you a new line each time under the same bullet point.

I have solved the issue of not getting the Effects curve dialog in MEP 2016 - HWA for import export was turned off.

VPX was also OK however MEP Premium still will not give me the dialog with or without HWA !!!

John EB

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terrypin wrote on 3/20/2017, 11:01 AM

Hi All

I think we went through this fairly thoroughly a while back but the key thing to remember is that the Edit Effects Curve window is only for manipulating the Curve as a whole and not for changing some individual KF's. I think it is fairly well designed to discourage you from changing some parameters that would make others nonsense.

Thanks Peter, I'd studied that old thread I referenced before posting, but I don't think it covered all the points I raised, or those subsequently raised by John CB.

Having said that:- If you want to change the strength of the Zoom you need to select only the Width and Height boxes by Ctrl Clicking each so they turn blue and then Rt click the pair and open the Curve Editor, which will say Width and Height in the title bar at the top.

I had tried to select just Width and Height, by removing the checkmarks on X-pos and Y-pos. But I hadn't stumbled on selecting them both with Ctrl+Click then right-clicking the pair. Where did you learn that? I saw nothing (or indeed anything of much detailed help about using the dialog's various elements) in Help or the PDF.

If you select the whole Size / Position set of KF's and then change the curve it stands to reason that the X and Y Posn KF's will change by the set Strength % and may not end up in a position you desire.

Indeed. That's why I initially tried to restrict it to Width & Height, albeit unsuccessfully.

Here's what I did just now, hopefully correctly following your instructions, with points arising:

1. Started with the 4 KFs at 10/20/30/40 as described. All centralised for ease of checking that they stay in those positions, a key requirement.

2. Ctrl+Clicked Width & Height. Also removed checkmarks from X-pos & Y-pos, although I'm frankly not exactly clear of their purpose in this context?

3. Right-clicked the pair (your magic key, thanks!) and opened the curve editor. I'm puzzled why they don't stay highlighted if I subsequently click the object again. Should they? If they are not highlighted at any stage, how to interpret that?

4. Clearly I now need to use 'Stretch / Compress > Effect'. (And use the 'Minus' button to increase size, as I see the bug I reported years ago remains unfixed!) But what are the exact steps, i.e:
- Which option, Value or %? (Puzzlingly, both are accessible now, unlike my attempt yesterday.). Does it even matter, if the suggested method is simply trial/error while watching what number appears in the zoom box? I'd still like to understand any underlying logic though - if there is any!

5. I chose % and entered 5 and pressed the - button once. (Strictly, the zoom is already in % units, so we're really adding a value IMO. A 5% increase on 10 would take it to 10.5% - but let's ignore that for now!)

I knew from John CB's post yesterday that this would add 10, i.e. taking 10% to 20%, but I'd like to know why not to 10+5=15?

6. Repeating that 3 more times (which intuitively I'd have expected to result in 30%) took it to the required 50%.

On closing the curve editor my KFs are now 50, 60, 70 and 80. So, as I suppose is to be expected, the curve editor cannot change all to 50% as wanted.

To change a bunch of KF's to the same value you would work on the main KF timeline editor window, selecting the diamonds for the parameters you want to change with Ctrl Click and Shift Click and then entering a new Zoom factor, or via copy KF's and Paste KF's.

I'm not clear what you mean on that. Didn't we agree four year ago in that long thread that multiple changes like that don't work? IOW, the change has to be applied to each individual KF, not as a group?

BTW this has not been made easy by the fact that the selected KF's only change shade/colour subtly in MEP2016 and do not turn blue like they previously did.

Agreed. A poor design choice IMO. Not the only one in this area!

I have more questions but I'll stop there!

 

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terrypin wrote on 3/20/2017, 12:13 PM

Hi Terry

. . . . I gave up trying to quote individual sections above! How do you do that? I'll try to master it on another occasion . . .

Copy and paste - I find this better than actually quoting the whole section.

The 'big secret' when using either of the bullet formats is Shift + Enter - this gives you a new line each time under the same bullet point.

Thanks John, understood.

I have solved the issue of not getting the Effects curve dialog in MEP 2016 - HWA for import export was turned off.

VPX was also OK however MEP Premium still will not give me the dialog with or without HWA !!!

'MEP Premium' is presumably what I'm still calling MEP 2017? If so that's very odd. Just tried it again and OK here. Any clues from my settings?

 

 

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johnebaker wrote on 3/20/2017, 2:39 PM

Hi Terry

Many thanks for your MEP Premium (2017) settings.

a. There are a three differences:

  1. Playback tab, Overload optimisation - I have this turned off, however turning it makes no difference.
  2. System tab, Device - here I have one of my monitors listed 'Device monitor 1 Intel Graphics HD4600' and I cannot change it - there is only the one option.
     
  3. Import/export tab - I have no option for 'Apply image effects for Magix Online Services' - do you use Magix Online Services or have MEP set up to do so?

b. I am puzzled by a couple of your settings:

  1. Playback tab - the option Overload optimisation is on and greyed out.
     
  2. System tab - the Video output activated option is greyed out

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browj2 wrote on 3/20/2017, 11:12 PM

 

Hi,

Too busy today to do anything in the videos. I did spend about 4 hours on Sunday on this trying to figure it out, and Peter, thank you for coming up with the Crtl right-click solution. After the obscure (documented in the manual) shortcut for sliding the image within a trimmed clip and now this, do you have any more gems to share with us?

I noticed that by right-clicking on any of the size/position boxes (in the kf window) and selecting Effects curve, the Value box is accessible. Clicking on the pop-down arrow beside the box and selecting Effects curve, greys out the Value box. Note that as soon as you click on the pop-down, Image size/position is also highlighted, and that is what seems to be causing the problem. There are 2 modes, and it would be nice to know why. But, I can understand a bit better what is happening.

Just noticed another one. With Image size/position opened in the kf window, click on a kf box, like "y-pos." The kf is highlighted and so is the one on the first line beside Image size/position. But right-clicking on a kf box only highlights the selected kf box.

Another thing, a left-click on a kf moves the playback marker to that location. Right-clicking a kf does not move the playback marker; the kf is highlighted. You can't do anything with it except note the time. It may be useful if you want the playback marker to stay in one place but note the time of a kf.

Terry, as far as I can understand by watching the nodes on the curve, the Stretch/Compress Effect -/+ buttons do exactly that, stretch and compress, either away from the neutral axis or towards it. The - button is compress. It takes the nodes and moves them towards the centre until the line is about flat. The + makes the nodes above the neutral axis go up, and nodes below it go down. So, I think that the buttons are correctly labeled, which is why Magix did not change them.

My trick about getting 50 on all zoom nodes is partly resolved, thanks to Peter. If all nodes are below 100, then all (width and height selected by right-clicking) nodes will decrease to 0 using the + button (Stretch); then going the other way raises the nodes towards the centre together. If one node is 100 or above, pressing on the + button will cause it to increase, so you can't get convergence. They will converge once the low values get to 0 and you click the - key several times, but I couldn't get all 4 kf's to 100 (110, 110, 110, 100). At least this time, the centre of the image stayed in the same place. Still doesn't solve Terry's problem.

Right-clicking - here is a new one that I never saw because I had never before right-clicked on a box in the effects window, like Position - Left, or if I did, I didn't take note of the list beyond Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete. There are more choices. What is IME? Here is what I found through Google: "IME is short for Input Method Editor. It's a way to enter Chinese or Arabic or Hebrew (or, apparently, Unicode) in Windows using a normal Western keyboard. " No help to this discussion, but it was interesting to note the list.

I'm going to be right-clicking a lot more.

John C.B.

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johnebaker wrote on 3/21/2017, 3:06 AM

Hi

@ John CB

. . . . With Image size/position opened in the kf window, click on a kf box, like "y-pos." The kf is highlighted and so is the one on the first line beside Image size/position . . .

Assuming this is the one above the clicked keyframe eg Y Pos , then this is correct - the first line is the composite keyframe of all the keyframes relating to that particular effect, eg Image size/position, and allows you to move or delete at once, all the keyframe parameters of that effect at that point .

. . . . a left-click on a kf moves the playback marker to that location. Right-clicking a kf does not move the playback marker; the kf is highlighted. It may be useful if you want the playback marker to stay in one place but note the time of a kf. . . . .

That is very useful - will stop me nudging KF's out of position when I want to match different objects to a given effect eg synchronised movement.

 

John EB

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terrypin wrote on 3/21/2017, 4:21 AM

 

Hi,

Too busy today to do anything in the videos. I did spend about 4 hours on Sunday on this trying to figure it out, and Peter, thank you for coming up with the Crtl right-click solution. After the obscure (documented in the manual) shortcut for sliding the image within a trimmed clip and now this, do you have any more gems to share with us?

I noticed that by right-clicking on any of the size/position boxes (in the kf window) and selecting Effects curve, the Value box is accessible. Clicking on the pop-down arrow beside the box and selecting Effects curve, greys out the Value box. Note that as soon as you click on the pop-down, Image size/position is also highlighted, and that is what seems to be causing the problem. There are 2 modes, and it would be nice to know why. But, I can understand a bit better what is happening.

Hi John,

I interpret the two 'modes' as
1. All parameters are 'operative' (have an influence on the object's behaviour/appearance).
2. Only some... (Notice the familiar greying of the checkmark.) And the inaccessibility when in 'All' mode must be for the reason Peter gave: because applying it would give nonsensical results.

But there are still big holes in my understanding here! I learn best by seeing practical examples. Ideally of gradually increasing complexity. So the absence of any such from the Magix documentation means I have to make my own. Which is proving more time consuming than I can afford!

Just noticed another one. With Image size/position opened in the kf window, click on a kf box, like "y-pos." The kf is highlighted and so is the one on the first line beside Image size/position. But right-clicking on a kf box only highlights the selected kf box.

Not sure I've understood that one?

Another thing, a left-click on a kf moves the playback marker to that location. Right-clicking a kf does not move the playback marker; the kf is highlighted. You can't do anything with it except note the time. It may be useful if you want the playback marker to stay in one place but note the time of a kf.

Thanks, reproduced that.

There are other operations that mystify me, but I'm sure that's only because I don't understand the underlying basics properly.

Terry, as far as I can understand by watching the nodes on the curve, the Stretch/Compress Effect -/+ buttons do exactly that, stretch and compress, either away from the neutral axis or towards it. The - button is compress. It takes the nodes and moves them towards the centre until the line is about flat. The + makes the nodes above the neutral axis go up, and nodes below it go down. So, I think that the buttons are correctly labeled, which is why Magix did not change them.

I'll get there - but the penny still hasn't dropped yet! Seems far from intuitive. The operations I try seem to give unexpected results. For example why do successive clicks on the compress button toggle between two states in this example?
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/KFwork-1.mp4

 

My trick about getting 50 on all zoom nodes is partly resolved, thanks to Peter. If all nodes are below 100, then all (width and height selected by right-clicking) nodes will decrease to 0 using the + button (Stretch); then going the other way raises the nodes towards the centre together. If one node is 100 or above, pressing on the + button will cause it to increase, so you can't get convergence. They will converge once the low values get to 0 and you click the - key several times, but I couldn't get all 4 kf's to 100 (110, 110, 110, 100). At least this time, the centre of the image stayed in the same place. Still doesn't solve Terry's problem.

Right-clicking - here is a new one that I never saw because I had never before right-clicked on a box in the effects window, like Position - Left, or if I did, I didn't take note of the list beyond Cut, Copy, Paste, Delete. There are more choices. What is IME? Here is what I found through Google: "IME is short for Input Method Editor. It's a way to enter Chinese or Arabic or Hebrew (or, apparently, Unicode) in Windows using a normal Western keyboard. " No help to this discussion, but it was interesting to note the list.

I'm going to be right-clicking a lot more.

Meanwhile I've written a macro that just prompts me for a new zoom value and applies it to all KFs. That's the sort of no-brainer solution I'd hoped MEP could provide. Maybe it can (Peter?) but so far it still eludes me!

Terry, East Grinstead, UK. PC: i7 6700K, 4.0 GHz, 32GB with Win 10 pro. Used many earlier versions of MEPP, currently mainly MEPP 2016 & 2017 (Using scores of macro scripts to add functionality, tailored to these versions.)

terrypin wrote on 3/21/2017, 5:11 AM

Hi Terry

Many thanks for your MEP Premium (2017) settings.

a. There are a three differences:

  1. Playback tab, Overload optimisation - I have this turned off, however turning it makes no difference.
  2. System tab, Device - here I have one of my monitors listed 'Device monitor 1 Intel Graphics HD4600' and I cannot change it - there is only the one option.
     
  3. Import/export tab - I have no option for 'Apply image effects for Magix Online Services' - do you use Magix Online Services or have MEP set up to do so?

b. I am puzzled by a couple of your settings:

  1. Playback tab - the option Overload optimisation is on and greyed out.
     
  2. System tab - the Video output activated option is greyed out

John EB

"Playback tab, Overload optimisation - I have this turned off, however turning it makes no difference."


Same setting here on MEP 2016 so assume it's the default. The manual doesn't really tell me exactly what it does:
"Overload optimization for real-time playback: Here you can activate or deactivate overload optimizing during realtime playback of the arrangement. This feature is particularly suitable for lower performance PCs."

But, on a high performance PC, I've now disabled it in MEP 2016 Premium. See below re oddity in 'MEP Premium'.

"System tab, Device"
(Display tab.)

No external device here.

"Import/export tab - I have no option for 'Apply image effects for Magix Online Services' - do you use Magix Online Services or have MEP set up to do so?"

Presumably another default I wasn't aware of. Don't consciously use that service and not sure what it does. Duly disabled until I know more.

"b. I am puzzled by a couple of your settings:
Playback tab - the option Overload optimisation is on and greyed out."

Me too! Thanks for pointing out that anomaly. As mentioned above, I've turned this off in MEP 2016 (my current work choice). I opened 2017 again just now and it was (naturally) greyed out as before. But looking around I found that under the Import/Export tab, the two HW accel options were now not checkmarked. No idea why it changed. But anyway I enabled them and restarted 2017, to find that Overload optimisation was now accessible. So duly disabled it, as in 2016. Any insights?

"System tab - the Video output activated option is greyed out"
(Display tab!)

Presumably because I don't have an external device.

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But none of that solves your problem.

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P.S. I miss the text colour feature here.

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Scenestealer wrote on 3/21/2017, 5:50 AM

Hi Guys

I think we are all running out of gas on this one! I spent a few more hours today and have come to the conclusion that changing just the relative zoom level on multiple KF's, in the Size Position Effect window, at least by using the effects curve editor, is just not possible without invoking a position change. This seems to be by design (or a bug) and is because any percentage increment appears global and changes the x, y position values in the spin boxes as well as the zoom by some proportion. As the position is referenced to the Top Left corner, a size change pushes everything Right too far. It is understandable that the 2 are linked because a size change will always need to shift all the corners so my clever trick of isolating just the size can not work unless you manually click the Center button on every KF. Strange thing is that I swear I had been able to achieve this in an earlier version of MEP, or even a day ago!

Sorry for raising hopes but I guess it's raised awareness of some further possibilities in the Curve Effects area and like all these exercises, it stirs up the grey matter and sometimes answers questions that have eluded you with other functions. Just on that as John found, that clicking on an individual parameter of size posn. highlights the top line, this can be deselected by Ctrl clicking it. Not that it helped me but it does show that the 2 are inexorably linked. Also the effect of the Curve Editor Up and Downs can be changed around 4 axes with the drop down at the bottom of the editor.

Something else might pop up but Terry's macro seems pretty elegant at this stage!

Peter

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johnebaker wrote on 3/21/2017, 6:31 AM

Hi

. . . . I think we are all running out of gas on this one! . . .

I would agree with Peter on this one, however, as I have never used the 'Edit effects curve' option before it has opened up a new possibility for me, when however is not clear yet.

John EB

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terrypin wrote on 3/21/2017, 7:59 AM

Hi All,

Great learning exercise for me too, but frustrating! Especially now it seems that John CB, new to the curve editor a mere day ago, has already almost mastered it! 🙂

Still intend to revisit the subject when I get time. Maybe someone can come at it from a different angle, demonstrating how it elegantly solves some common practical requirements? Rather than how its UI idiosyncracies hinder us! As mentioned, it's that lack of worked examples that's blocked me so far.

And I'm still hoping to come up with an explanation for that example I posted this morning.

Meanwhile, yes, I'm pleased with my macro. It just performs the steps I would do manually, but satisfyingly fast. Wish I could share it. But as explained before, its developer makes (free) sharing impossible.

Terry, East Grinstead, UK. PC: i7 6700K, 4.0 GHz, 32GB with Win 10 pro. Used many earlier versions of MEPP, currently mainly MEPP 2016 & 2017 (Using scores of macro scripts to add functionality, tailored to these versions.)

browj2 wrote on 3/21/2017, 12:23 PM

HI,

I'm on it, more or less.

About % on Sizes position, I believe that it goes to % because of the zoom which is in %. But in the effects curve, giving a % to a % is not what happens. The number is actually a value, so a value (%) of 10 means that the zoom value, which is also a %, will change by 10, not 10% of a percentage. Thus a zoom of 50 will increase to 60 or decrease to 40.

That was example 3. Hard to do more on train, metro and bus.

Examples 1 and 2 are for the time changes.

Remember the problem of setting kf's, decreasing the length of the object and one or more kf's disappear? Use the timers to decrease by, say, 1 s intervals. The kf's at the right will move left. Adjust as necessary until the kf's come into view.

Timer on Size/Position moves all kf's by the interval set, thus 1s to the left with the decrease button, until they can't move left anymore.

Timer on Stretch/Compress, decreases the last kf by 1s, but the intermediate kf's decrease by a proportional amount. This is probably the most useful effect for increasing or decreasing an object that has kf's and you want the interval to decrease/ increase proportionally over the new length.

Three down, fifty to go.

Any help so far? I hope my cell phone didn't make two mani mistooks.

John C.B.

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terrypin wrote on 3/21/2017, 3:09 PM

Thanks John, you're almost ready for MasterMind, with 'Curve Editor' as your chosen subject!

I'm looking forward to following along step-by-step later, or maybe in the morning. It's been a long day...

Re your opening para, I agree, as per my 04:01 pm post yesterday:
"(Strictly, the zoom is already in % units, so we're really adding a value IMO. A 5% increase on 10 would take it to 10.5% - but let's ignore that for now!)

Meanwhile, can you confirm which posts your examples 1, 2 and 3 above are in please. To remove any ambiguity, perhaps you could post a screenshot showing your layout, along the lines of this one:

Also, did you see the puzzle I raised in my example video, in today's 09:21 post? I'm guessing the 'doubling' from 5 to 10 is because of symmetry, with the delta applied on either 'side'? Or something like that. But I still don't understand the 'toggling'.

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Scenestealer wrote on 3/21/2017, 6:45 PM

Hi

My observations on Program settings below

Playback tab, Overload optimisation - I have this turned off, however turning it makes no difference.

System tab, Device - here I have one of my monitors listed 'Device monitor 1 Intel Graphics HD4600' and I cannot change it - there is only the one option.
 

Import/export tab - I have no option for 'Apply image effects for Magix Online Services' - do you use Magix Online Services or have MEP set up to do so?

b. I am puzzled by a couple of your settings:

Playback tab - the option Overload optimisation is on and greyed out.
 

System tab - the Video output activated option is greyed out

Overload Optimisation

This does have an a effect on my high end system. Playback is smoother with HD projects with it off, which fits with my findings and John EB's comments in this post quote from about 5 years ago.

I think it is better unticked - in 2013 at least. In this mode it seems to allow higher peaks in CPU usage which is beneficial given the under utilisation of resources during preview, that seems to always have been a flaw with MEP. My system could be described as medium to high performance.

Using windows task manager and the Resource monitor available via the Performance tab in Vista and W7 there is a column called average CPU which shows average CPU usage over recent time. This gives a clearer picture than just looking at the graphs in TM, mainly because you always get a different result each time you play back a section of the timeline, when stuttering occurs. I took a section with 4x 1080 50p clips with a couple of crossfades and replayed this about ten times in quick succession and looked at the highest peak and average with option ticked and unticked and found unticked showed peak usage went from 50% up to 60% and average went up from about 35% to about 43%. Preview did seem to be smoother overall also.

This all fits well with John's estimation and I guess this is why they suggest its use with older and lower performance systems as there is not as much (comparitive) processing overhead left for other processes on these rigs. I have to say, that the fact that this is ticked by default, has always thrown me off the scent but I guess they are trying to cover the lowest common denominator in systems.

Display Tab > Device

This will show up if you have a second monitor attached to the GPU it detects it is attached to. If the output option is ticked then it will display the preview on that monitor regardless of what is showing of the extended desktop.

Export / Import Tab > Magix online services

This is not present on my system.

 

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Scenestealer wrote on 3/21/2017, 11:58 PM

Hi All

Peter, thank you for coming up with the Crtl right-click solution. After the obscure (documented in the manual) shortcut for sliding the image within a trimmed clip and now this, do you have any more gems to share with us?

How's this then......I have solved the puzzle!

Problem seems to be that applying a 10% zoom is moving the reference edges of the frame by 5% on each side, but the fact is this is moving the Position 10% at the same time which is putting the frame 5% off center.

Peter's procedure is a follows.

To make such experimenting clearer in this effect it is best to work everything in percentages and round figures and it can help to make the curve visible in the object for the respective 4 parameters Width, Height, Xpos, Ypos, using the eye symbol. Also make sure the object you are using fits the project aspect ratio perfectly ie. not a 3:2 still in a 16:9 preview monitor. Reduce the visible frame display in the monitor (using the dropdown menu at the top left) to 50% so you can see the outline trace of the zoomed frame to check it is centered.

  1. Set up a set of zoom in and out KF's on the object.
  2. Expand the individual parameters in the KF timeline and see that they are ticked and have corresponding KF's at the same time stamps.
  3. Right click on any parameter and open the curve effect editor then left click Width and Ctrl.click Height. so that they are the only active things in the curve editor.
  4. In the Effect Strength Up / Down box enter 10% and observe the shift in the curves in the trace on the picture track, plus the de-centering of the image in the preview monitor.
  5. Do not close the curve editor. You can check the effect that you have had on subsequent KF's by clicking the left / right arrows at the top left of the KF timeline and it is worth noting here that virtually all functions are available (like undo) whilst the Curve editor is still open.
  6. Next highlight the X Pos. parameter and change the Effect strength to 5% and click the up and down to correct the 5% posn. error you see in the preview monitor. Then do the same for the Y Pos. after which, clicking through the KF's will show you that they have all been centered. If not, and I have seen very small errors appear on some, just correct the posn. error using the spin boxes in the Size / Position effect above the KFramer (strangely this only seems to effect the KF you stop on).
  7. Close the Curve editor and life will be good again!

The key seems to be breaking the adjustments into separate parameters of Size then Position in the Curve editor.

Waiting to collect my prize of ".. a Lounge Suite, Michael".

Peter

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johnebaker wrote on 3/22/2017, 2:05 AM

Hi

@ Peter - nice one - looks like I may be using this more in the future.

. . . .".. a Lounge Suite, Michael" . . .

I do not know this quote - where is it from?

John EB

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

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terrypin wrote on 3/22/2017, 4:38 AM

Hi Peter,

Well done! You must have been up late? Don't think we can manage a Michael lounge suite in soft leather, starting price $6,000, if that's what you meant, but for myself you certainly get my warm thanks! 😉

I have yet to catch up with you, but I have started to step through your procedure. Combining it as I do with stepping through John CB's latest, which I started last night. (It's 09:36 here in UK.) Hopefully I will answer myself some of the queries that quickly arose. But it's likely I'll be back when you and John are starting your days, suitably refreshed. (They're mainly about the use of the checkboxes at the left of the labels in the extended list, and the odd results of checking these in different states.)

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

 

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johnebaker wrote on 3/22/2017, 5:23 AM

Hi

@ Peter

While following your steps 1 -7 above using MEP Premium, the dialog appeared and works as you have described !!!!! 😂😂😂.

Thanks again.

John EB

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.