Loop shows 75 BPM but inserts as 80 BPM

browj2 wrote on 5/1/2019, 11:48 AM

MusicMaker 27.0.3.34

Strange one. In the image below, Ambient - Deep Horizon, the loops show up in the Media Pool as 75 BPM, but when inserted into the Arranger, become 80 BPM. See the indication at the bottom of the object and also the project tempo box. The inf file also says 80 BPM. I'm trying to figure out how the Media Pool detects 75 instead of 80.

Anyone have an idea?

Note: the same loops show up in Samplitude as 80 BPM.

This is not an isolated problem. Another one is Ambient Vol. 9 - it shows up in the Media Pool as 120 BPM, but 80 BPM when inserted. There are more like this.

John CB

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johnebaker wrote on 5/1/2019, 1:17 PM

@browj2

Hi John

. . . . Another one is Ambient Vol. 9 - it shows up in the Media Pool as 120 BPM, but 80 BPM when inserted. . . . .

Shows up in Media Pool at 80 BPM here and when inserted, BPM inf file is also correct.

I do not have Ambient - Deep Horizon so cannot check this one.

Have you tried rescanning your Soundpools?

HTH

John EB

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ralftaro wrote on 5/2/2019, 6:17 AM

Hi John,

I can confirm the "Deep Horizon" pool shows up with the correct tempo in my media pool as well. Just did a fresh download and installation of it. If John's suggestion of rescanning alone doesn't do the trick, maybe try dropping and rebuilding the entire soundpool database ("SoundPoolDB.dat"). I think you're familiar with the procedure.

Cheers!

 

browj2 wrote on 5/2/2019, 9:09 AM

@johnebaker, @ralftaro

Hi guys,

Thanks for taking a look. I'll try rescanning and, if necessary, dropping and rebuilding the database.

However, I took a look at my laptop and have some similar cases. I find it strange that MMM would detect BPM's that are off:

Ambient - Deep Horizon shows up as 123 BPM on the list, 80 when inserted

Ambient - Winter Chill Parts 1 and 2 show up as 120 BPM, 75 when inserted.

All other Ambient Soundpools show up as 80 BPM.

So, this is not confined to my desktop.

I'll report back once resolved.

Thanks,

John CB

John C.B.

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johnebaker wrote on 5/2/2019, 9:19 AM

@browj2

Hi John

What do the BPM files say?

HTH

John EB

Lateral thinking can get things done!

VPX, MEP Premium, MEP 2016, and earlier versions, Music Maker Premium, Music Maker 2016, 2015.

Running Windows 10 64bit on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16Gb RAM, 1Tb + 2 x 2Tb internal HDD + 60Gb internal SSD, + 6 x 2Tb ext HDDs, Sony FDR-AX53 Video camera, Contour HD 1080 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

browj2 wrote on 5/2/2019, 9:33 AM

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

The inf files have the correct beat, 80 for "Deep Horizon" and 75 for Winter Chill parts 1 and 2.

John CB

John C.B.

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browj2 wrote on 5/2/2019, 10:08 AM

I rescanned only the above Soundpools. No effect.

I noticed that there were items in the Download Manager - one was an instrument, the others some Soundpools that were already installed. Deep Horizon was not one of them. Ran it. Restarted.

Deep Horizon showed up as New, and the BPM was now 125 instead of 123.

Checked the Download Manager again, and there were more Soundpools, one of them Winter Chill Part 2. Downloaded, restarted. Deep Horizon showed up again as new, but not Winter Chill. Now, Deep Horizon is showing 90 BPM, Winter Chill Part 1 - 90, and Part 2 - 100.

There are now another half dozen Soundpools to be installed in the Download Manager - already installed.

Time to clean up the Store and Rescan.

John CB

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browj2 wrote on 5/2/2019, 11:06 AM

Laptop - Cleaned up Store, restarted, logged into Store, Rescanned Soundpools and they are now correct. I'll do the same on my desktop, however, I did it not long ago.

Strange that MMM gets the wrong information on only certain Soundpools. I was able to fix this, but thousands of others will not, assuming they notice the problem.

John CB

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ralftaro wrote on 5/3/2019, 8:57 AM
I find it strange that MMM would detect BPM's that are off:

 

Hi John,

Glad to hear you managed to sort it out. I'll bounce this off our developers the next chance I get. Even if they don't have an explanation right away, maybe it's something they can keep in the back of their heads. I remember there was some talk at one point about the whole soundpool database solution being completely revamped, e.g. by possibly replacing Music Maker's current system with a fully-featured and more robust database server system.

Cheers!

 

browj2 wrote on 5/3/2019, 9:27 AM

@ralftaro

Since you brought up database, yes, a robust database server system would be good, not just for audio files, but for images and videos. I presume that the Soundpools db is different from the db created by MP3 Deluxe 19 and Photo Manager Deluxe. This latter db is rather fragile in my opinion. One database that would cover everything and work across most Magix products would be good. The db would have to be good for hundreds of thousands of entries, if not millions.

Then the db would have to be put back in MEP/VPX.

Oops, MP3 Deluxe 19 no longer wants to work, probably a db problem. I'll add this to my AML start up problem.

John CB

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