Magix Future?

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Nalmcruto wrote on 3/14/2024, 8:17 PM

MAGIX should have let that Sony software stay dead and invested those millions in improving their own product lines. Samplitude could have really improved a ton if they had done that. But it’s a bit too late. The opportunity cost has been paid, and you can’t get that lost time/investment back.

In fact, the user group determines the product positioning. Vegas relatively has stable and more users, making it a flagship product.
Before last year, Vegas didn't get the resource inclination of Magix, and Magix and VCS have been developing their own products in a relatively independent state. In the end, Vegas became the most popular product among Magix products, and MEP/VPX gradually shrank, which was the reason why Magix tilted more resources to the Vegas product line.

Magix is now writing a new video engine for Vegas, similar to the Infusion engine of MEP/VPX. What will happen in the future should be seen soon.

MagixDerek wrote on 3/14/2024, 9:12 PM

VMS was killed because it cannibalized VEGAS Pro Edit sales.

Wrong. Please stop spreading speculation under the guise of the truth. I'm not sure why you are still around the Magix forums as you have moved on to other products.

browj2 wrote on 3/15/2024, 1:56 PM

@MagixDerek

+1

Nice to see you on this forum.

John CB

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fishycomics wrote on 3/15/2024, 3:23 PM

Yeah A.I Was about Oct 2023. MEP 2024 was released aboutthen and GUess we'll see what MEP 2025 has in store.

browj2 wrote on 3/22/2024, 6:53 PM

@Reyfox

Hi,

If Magix disappeared tomorrow (I hope not!), that will not affect the software that I have already. They will still work.

Ouch!!! Noooo. The bad news is that Magix software checks in with Home Base once a month. This is transparent, so the user never sees it. If you don't open the software for a couple of months, you'll see the activation screen with username(email address)/activation code. If Home Base has disappeared, the software cannot validate the code and won't start and we are dead in the water. It's worse for those with a subscription, I would think. This was raised on the Samplitude forum. The workaround for Samplitude is to get a P2 code/offline activation with a Codemeter. What about the rest of us?

@MagixDerek

Any comment on the above? I think that this includes Vegas, does it not?

I think that Magix had better tell us what the contingency plan is for the worst case or risk losing even more users.

John CB

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MagixDerek wrote on 3/22/2024, 8:09 PM

I think everyone is overreacting here. Unfortunately, I have no extra information to provide and the company is not likely to post any official message while negotiations are ongoing for a new investor. I can say that if I felt the situation was as bleak as some here have stated, I would not have stuck around and many of the other engineers would have bolted as well. As I have stated on the VEGAS forum, our team is working without any restrictions right now and we will be releasing a huge update in a few weeks. We have already begun working on the next major version of VEGAS Pro as well. I think the same is true for several other products at Magix.

Quite frankly, I am anxious to see what happens and actually hopeful for the future. Let's all relax and let the process run its course.

browj2 wrote on 3/22/2024, 9:22 PM

@MagixDerek

Hi,

I think that many users are worried and realistic, myself included. The cat is out of the bag. Given what I said about what is probably the worst case scenario, the what if scenario, how can we tell people to purchase/upgrade Magix products and expect them to do so? Users can see the warning signs and are silently going to go elsewhere, and from what I have read, many have, although mostly for reasons not related to Magix' financial problems. This just exacerbates the problem.

New releases will probably help. But I think that Magix personnel posting on the forums will also help. You and others on the Vegas team have done a great job on the Vegas forum, just by your presence. There are a couple of Magix personnel active on the Samplitude/Sequoia forum. That all helps reassure users. But, other than you, no one from Magix has posted in either French or English on this forum or given any hint of on-going development work. Nothing. Magix needs to engage its users more,...and fix the bugs.

Just my thoughts,

John CB

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Nalmcruto wrote on 3/23/2024, 2:43 AM

Besides the public release post, I haven't seen anyone from the Magix Team communicate with users on the forum. This is not a good phenomenon.

Reyfox wrote on 3/23/2024, 6:18 AM

@Nalmcruto then you didn't read the post by MagixDerek then? He is part of the developing team for Vegas Pro. I think he would know more than any of us here speculating.

In the Vegas forum, we have the developers such as @MagixDerek (to us in the Vegas forum, he is know as VEGASDerek) posting, helping with issues and when the next patch will be coming. Also other developers have commented on specific bugs posted by users that are being addressed.

That interaction seems to be missing in this forum. Does that mean that MMS/VPX are dead? I don't think so. Right now, Vegas Pro is the focus product. Notice the word "focus".

As for bugs, they will always be there. Anyone here in the Resolve forum or any other software forum?

browj2 wrote on 3/23/2024, 8:14 AM

@Reyfox

Whatever happened to @MagixJeff - Jeff Krebbs? We got this, then nothing.

Being seen to be doing something is often as important as doing something.

As for bugs, they will always be there.

Yes, but when certain bugs are clearly demonstrated and shown to Magix and are of the nature that stops one from being able to use the product properly, I expect something to be done - within a reasonable delay.

For VPX, the bug with the Project Temp Folder has been there for many months. Specifically, putting a trimmed clip or a group of clips into the PTF puts it as 1 second long instead of the correct duration. There was a previous bug with this - the trimmed clip always started at 0 instead of the trim point. Magix fixed that but added a new bug.

Another example - Sound Forge Audio Cleaning Lab 4 starts up with an error message. The same error message pops up when you try to add a file to the timeline. This should have been fixed; Magix has refused to fix it. Magix includes Steinberg SpectraLayers Elements 10 - but it can't be used in the program due to an interface bug. There are more and Magix has been made aware of them, but the team has been put on Samplitude.

Stuff like this turns off users.

John CB

John C.B.

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Desktop System - Windows 10 Pro 22H2; MB ROG STRIX B560-A Gaming WiFi; Graphics Card Zotac Gaming NVIDIA GeForce RTX-3060, PS; Power supply EVGA 750W; Intel Core i7-10700K @ 3.80GHz (UHD Graphics 630); RAM 32 GB; OS on Kingston SSD 1TB; secondary WD 2TB; others 1.5TB, 3TB, 500GB, 4TB, 5TB, 6TB, 8TB; three monitors - HP 25" main, LG 4K 27" second, HP 27" third; Casio WK-225 piano keyboard; M-Audio M-Track USB mixer.

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MagixDerek wrote on 3/23/2024, 9:08 AM

Whatever happened to MagixJeff

He and Magix have parted ways.

Nalmcruto wrote on 3/23/2024, 9:23 AM

I found that these CEOs or officials lack real understanding and love for Magix products, and they just regard it as a phased work.

Reyfox wrote on 3/23/2024, 9:29 AM

@browj2

Bugs that have been documented and been around for a long time are issues that a lot of software suffer from. Without a lot of resources (money and programmers) some just won't get fixed. I can't answer for VPX/MMS programmers. I am sure they are doing the best that they can with what they have. It's easy to point out a bug. Debugging with thousands and thousands of line of code is something else entirely. If the fixes were easy, they would have been done already. Sometimes, "tearing the house down" and starting over is the only way. But again, resources. I did object oriented programming decades ago so have a slight idea what programming is about and how integrating everything isn't as easy as people think it is.

Right now, it has been clearly stated that Vegas Pro is the "focus" of Magix. I would guess that means giving the software the necessary resources to do what is needed going forward. Maybe after that, the programmers will concentrate on VPX/MMS. It's just a guess. But I can see MMS having one flavor only, and the next step up would be VPX.

At this moment, I can edit hours without any crashes with Vegas Pro 21, using a lot of OFX plugins. The recent improvements that have been is in stability, with features taking second place. Not the other way around, with features first, stability second. BUT, they are still bringing new features to the table too. They (the programmers) are working on updating the video engine for improved timeline performance, something that users have complained about. Can't wait for the next patch! And it has been reported that Vegas Pro 22 development has started!

What Magix should do is offer a cross-grade for VPX/MMS users to Vegas Pro. Yes, they will have to learn that an overlay is exactly that, the asset is placed "over" the main video track. But they will automatically get improved OFX support, better compositing, and more extensive codec support. Anyone can give the trial version of Vegas Pro 21 a go and see if they like it enough to consider cross-grading over to it. I won't use "upgrading" since I know how sensitive some people are about VPX/MMS. It's just a thought....