Hi,

1. Agreed that it would have been difficult to find or discern my answer to the different question 5 days ago. If you don't filter out the Q&A part, it becomes even more difficult because in 5 days the thread gets buried under several pages of new Q's. Unless the OP updates the Question, as you did, then the original thread is buried. You updated the Question so it jumps to the top, which helps when we are going back and forth. Under Forums, it works differently. New answers cause the thread to jump to the top.

Here is another answer to your question but with a different take on it. If the A/V get out of sync, try creating the frame. See this recent thread under the Forum tab, All about Magix's programs, Movie Edit Pro. This may be a better solution to separating the A/V and moving the audio.

You should review some of the threads in this Forum as that is where the good stuff is.

2. I checked the tutorial on YouTube and had no problem running it. Try .

I don't have version 16; I started at 17, which is what Terry used.

It is still the same. The way Terry shows using keyframes is actually quite easy and allows you a lot of flexibility.

The "effect" that you were using is probably one of the ones under the Effects tab, Movement template. I find them useless as they don't zoom in on or pan to what I want.

Did you download and install everything under Help, Free download?

You say that the dashed line does not stay within the marquee. Correct, this is normal as when you zoom in on the image, it fills the normal screen area but the dashed line goes outside. You need to click on the preview screen, then while holding down the Ctrl key, use the mouse wheel to zoom out of the monitor and you will see the dashed line. It represents the outline of the full size image. You can also open the menu by clicking on the 3 bars at the top left of the preview window to see all of the commands. Just try to keep the image within the active part of the screen, meaning don't move the image farther to one side or top/bottom than the dashed line, or part of your screen will be black. However, if you are using a still image that does not have the same proportions as the video, you will have a black border on the sides when maximized..

Sounds complicated, but it's not.

When you're finished, reset the preview monitor from the menu to 100% or by Ctrl+double-click.

If you want, I can make up a quick video something like Terry's but without all of the details, and post it here.

That should be "....try to create the frametable...."

Hi,

"For question #2 you referred me to a PDF that had been done 2 years ago and uploaded to YouTube.  My computer would not load it, saying my security prevented it.   Keying it the address didn't bring up either."

That's odd, it works fine here and that's the first instance of a playing problem that I've heard. Possibly over-zealous security settings in your browser options?

John's link will hopefully work for you (it's fine here) but in addition here's the original 50 MB video you can download and play:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5ikj4haecda50a8/KenBurnsTutorial.mp4?dl=0

The tutorial is perfectly valid for MEP 16 through MEP 2015. I've dusted off that version and the only difference in the keyframe dialog window that I can see is the trivial one I've shown below: the addition of a slider to change size.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/KFdialog-MEP17vMEP.jpg

Hi,

I had some difficulties with the Movement tremplates. Did you find them and try them? I just dowlnoaded the 2015 update and the first one that I tried seems to work much better. The keyframes are in the right place and I don't get artifacts all over the preview screen when I scroll back and forth.

Please let me know if you found the Movement Templates in MEP2015.

Still, though, I think there will be times when the simple movement templates that go in and out, up or down, etc. can be useful

Hi,

Another fast way of doing that is to right click the photo, choose Movement, then select one of the zoom or pan options. Or, even quicker, use one of the six KB shortcuts.

This doesn't offer the diagonal options you get from Camera/Zoom. But on the relatively few occasions I need those it's usually within a 'proper' Ken Burns effect. For which I use KFA, as per my tutorial.

"I had some difficulties with the Movement tremplates."

Hi John,

Have you noticed any significant changes from those in MEP 2014? Here's a screenshot of my 51, although I've added a few of my own as well as accumulating those from previous versions and renaming some. But I'd be interested in a screenshot of the MEP 2015 offering.

In practice, I rarely use these. Probably because it needs heavy culling now!

@Terry,

Here is the screen shot of Movement templates in 2015 Premium.

There are 6 including no effect.

1. Problem with lines and no kf's with one of the templates

The problem in the previous patch of 2015 was that the kf's were all bunched up at the beginning when I selected one of the pan-zooms and when I scrolled back and forth along the kf timeline, vertical dashed lines would appear in the preview monitor and stay there until I released the mouse button. Wait! It's still happening!

Try Pano-smallZoomOut LR. Here is the strange behaviour. I apply the template, switch to Size/Position and here is the kf timeline. 

I only get 1 kf at the beginning, but there is panning and zooming throughout. So where are the kf's? Also, when scroll with the playback marker in either window, the zoom level does not move until I release the mouse button.

Pano-SmallZoomOutRL has the same problem.

Pano-LargeZoomOutLR, Pano-LargeZoomInLR and probably others have this problem - only 1 kf. Are these all the famous hidden kf at the end? I tried dragging the right end to the right, but no kf showed up.

2. Nothing moves in Camera/zoom mode

If I switch to Camera/zoom, the image goes to the full image and I see the dashed box that moves around on the screen when I drag the playback marker back and forth. The image does not change or move at all in this mode. Is this normal? I really haven't used Camera/zoom much but I don't recall not seeing the result in the preview window in both modes - Edit and Preview. When I switch back to Preview mode, it works ok.

3. Pano-largeFixZoom InLR - I tried this one and I automatically got the effect curve on the timeline in the object, and kf's show up. The timeline effects curve shows up on several other templates, but not all of them. I wonder why some of them turn on the curve and others don't.

I still get the phantom dashed lines until I release the mouse, but the effect seems to put the elements in the right places.

So maybe there is a problem with some of the template effects. I didn't try them all out to see.

There are 60 including no effect.

@John,

The increase seems to be due to those ten panorama types. The templates that are plainly buggy from your description.

If you get time to zip up those ten files and upload them it wil be interesting to see how they behave in my MEP 2014.

I think one reason I don't use them much (despite having a high proportion of photos in most of my movies) is that it takes some while to identify what they do, in order to make my choice. In that time, now that I'm reasonably proficient with KFA, I can roll my own.

Hi Terry,

I'm PMing you with the link. The first one, Pano-largeFixZoomInLR seems to work correctly, the others, no.

Hi John,

Many thanks, duly installed.

They all work OK in MEP 2014.

Download my video here. (187 MB, 10 clips of 15 s  = 2½ mins.)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/go4krw9y8kbpj2l/PanoramasTest.mp4?dl=0

Or view this 4 MB version:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/PanoramasTest.WMV

I limited the duration of each to keep the video reasonably short, but think most would need significantly longer in practice.

The photo was a JPG size 5830 x 2020, a stitch of four photos, so not really a high enough res for some of the zooms.

Only three created curves, as you see. Like you, I'm not sure what determined that.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/MEP2014-TestJohnsPanoramas.jpg

@Terry,

I presume that the ones that don't show the curve also don't show the movement kf's except for one at the beginning. Is this the case?

@Floridagal,

Did you find all of these movement templates?

@Terry,

I presume that the ones that don't show the curve also don't show the movement kf's except for one at the beginning. Is this the case?

@John,

No. It varies confusingly. But for example here I see 6 KFs visible without any extra searching:

And here I had to increase the duration to 17/18 s to see the second of its two KFs:

Also, there's some other strange behaviour. As I drag these rightwards, at the end another KF can just be seen behind the original. Then it appears to disappear, only to reappear as the clips is dragged further. I tried two no curve templates like that with the same result. And at some stage I'm sure I was getting similar 'hidden duplicates' at the t=0 position too.

I despair of ever fathoming the mysterious ways of MEP KFs!

@ John

I looked at all the templates in the movement templates that Terry did.  Still couldn't download -- due to my security settings, evidently.  Will probably not use them too often.   I did download a 2015 update from the Magix site that was showing as availabale under "Help."  Since then, creating my own keyframes has been easier, since there is more stability when I click on Section and the "marquee" or the "marching ants" lines that appear in the area I want to zoom to.  Before the update was downloaded, the marquee or selection dotted lines went all weird and didn't maintain a square or rectangular shape.  (Hope this description isn't confusing.) 

@ Terry

Anyway, I think there are still some strange things happening with keyframes.  Sometimes they appear on the line, but no motion happens in playing back the the photo on the timeline.  But, thanks to you and John, I do feel I understand better now how to set them up -- and most of the ones I've practiced with this afternoon did the movment as I had hoped!   Thanks for all your help!

@Floridagal,

I still wondering about the downloads. Are you saying that under the top menu, Help, Free download, you were not able to download and install everything? If not, then you are missing half of the program.

Here is the screen that comes up under Free download for MEP2015 Premium:

If you don't have Plus or Premium, then you will have less on this list.

Look at the Movement templates page in the image that I posted before. You should have all of these. Do you? Do you have anything?

@John CB (and anyone else interested in how MEP KFs behave.)

Coming back to these invisible KFs. I know we've discussed this before but I don't believe we ever reached a clear conclusion?

It seems to me that a simple design flaw in MEP (all versions) could account for this.

High res: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4019461/MEP2014-VanishingKFs-1.jpg

The JPG is duration 04:00. Two KFs are visible, one at 00:00 the second at 03:24 (the furthest position on the right).

With the 'Combine...' option set, I believe these should remain visible in those same extreme positions for any duration. But they don't. This is only true for durations greater than the original.

So if the authors of these templates designed them for say an 18s duration, we won't see the second (or later) KF for lengths less than that.

Or is there some good design reason for this?

@ John,

I have the Plus version of MEP 2015.  I do have the 60 or so movement templates showing that you asked about, and I believe I have downloaded from Magix everything currently available.  When I said I was not  able to download the templates I was referring to the dropbox demonstration Terry had done of panoramic templates.   But I have tried some of these movement templates from my own copy of MEP.  Many of them do not work for me.

I did a practice key frame test project in MEP 16 using several JPG photos.  It was easy to control, and the movements were as I set them -- ziggin and zagging in the exact way I set the keyframes, and I could pan to the edge of the photo without the image showing black borders.  Under Movement Effects in MEP 16, the first two choices are:  "Size/ Position," and "Section/Zoom."  In MEP 2015 Plus, the first three choices are "Size/Position," then "Section," and then "Camera/Zoom." 

Using the same photos in MEP 2015 Plus, it was much more difficult.  Key frames would show on the effects line, but no movement occurs.  The keyframe button is actually grayed out when you click on "Section" and only lights up when you click on "Camera/Zoom."  The downward arrow button that MEP 16 has for inserting a keyframe is always grayed out in MEP 2015.

When I tried the "directional arrows" in Camera/Zoom I get movement but keyframes don't appear -- and frequently the photo shrinks at the end, leaving a lot of black space showing.   This never happened in the test I did using MEP 16. 

I guess I would just proceed to edit my video in the old program, but I've spent so much time getting the scenes of my projects edited down in the new one that I'd hate to have to start all over.   So I'm more frustrated today than I was yesterday!

@ John.  - Update.    So I tried again with MEP 2015 Plus, opened a NEW project, imported some photos to the timeline, and this time the movement effects function worked fine!  The key frames placed automatically and the pan and zooming worked!   So after downloading the software update day before yesterday the it all worked, then wouldn't work last evening, and now is working this mornimg!!!!!   Wish I knew why!