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AAProds wrote on 9/18/2023, 8:13 AM

I don't see any reason why MEP 2020 shouldn't run OK. Just be aware that it won't encode very fast as it will be relying on the CPU, which isn't a rocket-ship and it doesn't have a GPU. It will probably struggle with lots of tracks and effects (you can use proxy files if you can't stand the [lack of] performance).

I was running an i5 (the original version) for 10 years and it worked fine with Magix on basic projects.

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All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

SP. wrote on 9/18/2023, 8:28 AM

@martin-brennan Your NUC has a Thunderbolt 3 input, so you should be able to connect an eGPU case to it and plug a GPU into the case.

I personally have a NUC10 with a Razer Core X and an Nvidia 3000 Series GPU.

The problem with NUCs is that they will get very hot under load (95-100°C). So it's probably not a good idea to let it run for 8 hours overnight to calculate a movie on the CPU.

It might by a good idea to reduce the power consumption in the UEFI. Of course, then it will run slower. I put my NUC in an Akasa Turning FX Case (be aware, this case is only compatible with NUC10 not 8) because the fan noise was extremely loud and reduced the power consumption down to 25 watts.

CubeAce wrote on 9/18/2023, 9:00 AM

@martin-brennan

Hi Martin.

Looking at the Specs page (assuming this is your model NUC) it should run, but 'well' may be definitive of expectations and overall use of file types, resolutions, applied effects etc.

Curiously according to that specs page it should have come with a 2TB Optane drive, not a 1TB drive. They are a very sort after drive since Intel stopped making them and command premium second hand prices. If the NUC had a previous owner they may have replaced it and sold the original drive for the additional profit. I honestly don't know but it seems odd.

According to this page the processor should have an inboard Intel Iris plus graphics chip. (again if I have the correct model number). which should have this specification.

I agree with @SP. It's going to get hot.

Ray.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.4291 Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version 31.0.101.2127 with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 1x WD RED 2TB drive for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 6 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 551.23. - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MEP Premium 21.0.2.138 and VPX 20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MEP 2022, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Pro.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

martin-brennan wrote on 9/18/2023, 10:28 AM

thanks for the very helpful comments. so encoding 30-60m clips should not really be a problem for it?

SP. wrote on 9/18/2023, 10:32 AM

@martin-brennan It depends. Which video codec and resolution are you going to use?

martin-brennan wrote on 9/18/2023, 11:05 AM

@martin-brennan It depends. Which video codec and resolution are you going to use?

thanks, I'm not really looking at anything beyond 1920 and mp4

CubeAce wrote on 9/18/2023, 11:43 AM

@martin-brennan

Assuming I have got the correct specs for your machine and the SDD presents no problems then the only problem could be one of keeping an eye on the temperatures. It is difficult to say with any certainty but if the CPU does have that Iris Plus Graphics 655 chip then the specs for that are close to my Intel HD630 chip. In some specs it seems slightly better and it is newer so difficult to tell. Also it is paired with a newer but less cored CPU chip and I have no way of knowing how that effects results as the processor itself will also be doing a lot of work.

GPU comparison

To see how my copy of MEP 2022 faired with only using the Intel GPU I set Windows Graphics to Power Saving HD 630 and selected only the Intel GPU in the program Import / Processing / Export settings and checked it was not using my nvidia card in Task Manager. Then I set OBS studio to only use the nvidia card while recording me playing and then exporting a 4K 25 fps project with a few jpegs thrown in and some basic text.

Even with quite good cooling the maximum CPU recorded temp during export was 60℃ and chipset 50℃. Motherboard was around 37℃. The project played back OK. Export for the just under 12 minute project took just over 17½ minutes.

While that is not a definitive test as my processor is not a mobile processor and has 8 cores and I am using a separate drive for the program to run on while another drive for the project to be read from and a third drive to write to, so your results may well be slower and playback not as smooth (or not). Also you may have an advantage of having an earlier version of MEP which should not be as component hungry.

 

Ray.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.4291 Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version 31.0.101.2127 with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. + x2 WD BLACK 2TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 1x WD RED 2TB drive for latest footage storage. Total 21TB of 6 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 551.23. - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MEP Premium 21.0.2.138 and VPX 20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MEP 2022, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Pro.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

martin-brennan wrote on 9/18/2023, 12:02 PM

that's really reassuring stuff, thanks.