MEP14...question about the playback marker

brucehusker wrote on 9/24/2013, 2:09 PM

Hi Gang...Over the weekend I purchased and installed my MEP 14 upgrade from 13. I do have one annoying behavior that I can't seem to fix. I like to scroll down the timeline with the playback marker searching for scenes, looking for stuff to cut, etc. When I do that in 14, when I let go of the marker, the movie continues to play. I have to actuall hit the stop button in the preview window to stop it. By that time, I've lost my edit point. Is there a way to return the playback marker back to its' original behavior of stopping where I let go? I.ve poked around in settings and nothing jumps out at me, and I just started reading the manual.

Thanks...Bruce

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johnebaker wrote on 9/24/2013, 4:12 PM

Hi

I presume you mean MEP 2014 - if so would you also please use this naming convention - MEP13 and 14 are old versions and still used by some members - using the same name as an old version may cause confusion - thanks.

The behaviour of you timeline cursor is odd - mine stops when I let go of the left/right arrow keys or dragging with the mouse.

Does your MEP 2014 do this every time or randomly? 

Are you catching the Up arrow key by any chance?

John

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brucehusker wrote on 9/24/2013, 7:04 PM

Sorry about the version name...didn't realize:) It behaves this way all the time. I can stop and start it with the up/down arrows, but I'm not hitting those by accident. I did load an .mts file from my HD video camera and it asked me to do a onetime download of some audio file I think, and I said sure, but I must confess I have no idea whatr it was.

Regards...Bruce

johnebaker wrote on 9/25/2013, 1:28 AM

Hi Bruce

. .. . it asked me to do a onetime download of some audio file . . .

That was a required codec for the video.

Try doing  a program reset - File, Settings, Reset program to defaults this will reset everything in the program - it may be that the keyboard mapping has got confused - you can check what keys do which actions in File, Settings, Keyboard shortcuts, List.

There is also an update available if you have not already been prompted to update.

John.

 

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brucehusker wrote on 9/25/2013, 4:12 AM

Hey John...Thanks for the comeback. I did a program reset as you suggested, and also installed the update. I hadn't been prompted for the update yet but it seemed to install without a hitch. I loaded another .mts file and performed a scrub with the playback marker and it performed as I'm used to, but there was no sound. I turned off no scrubbing and then the playback was back to the undesired continous play behavior. It seems as though any setting of scrubbing with sound produces the unwanted effect. As soon as I go back to no scrubbing, it behaves in a normal fashion, that is the playback marker stays put upon release by the left mouse button. MEP has never behaved like this in any other previous version of MEP that I've had. Is this a bug or is this now how MEP is supposed to handle scrubbing with sound? Perhaps there is some prgram setting that I need to change, but I haven't found it yet. Thanks.

Regards...Bruce

johnebaker wrote on 9/25/2013, 4:07 PM

Hi Bruce

There is one setting you need to change and that is the mouse mode - it needs setting to Preview audio

If you do not do this then the following happens when you select the various scrubbing options:

1.  No scrubbing - timeline cursor and scrub wheel move through video - no sound.

2.  Scrubbing (1 frame)  - timeline ciursor scrubs with sound and continues playing, scrubwheel scrubs with sound

3.  Scrubbing (long) as for 2

4.  Play 1 x speed scrubbing as for 2

With the mouse set to Preview audio - ie Preview with audio using the mouse behaves as you want it to ie timeline cursor scrubs and stops when you let go, scrubwheel behaves as normal - sound plays if you have options 2, 3 or 4 turned on.

The naming of the scrubbing options is not clear perhaps they should be 

1.  No sound

2. 1 frame with sound

3.  0.5 secs with sound

4   Play 1X with sound

HTH

John

 

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brucehusker wrote on 9/25/2013, 4:47 PM

Hi John...Again thanks for the comeback. I selected the preview audio mouse mode as you suggested and that did the trick. This must be a change from previous editions of MEP. I always leave the previous edition installed until I'm satified that all will work as I need with any upgrade. So I checked my MEP 2013 installation and the timeline curser behaves as I desire with mouse mode for single objects selected. Not that it matters, but any idea why the change in behavior? Again, thanks so much for your help!

Regards...Bruce

jeffjn wrote on 9/26/2013, 11:34 AM

I'm seeing this behavoir as well,  and I think it does matter because it is adding extra mouse operations.

Select any mouse mode othet than preview audio

Switch on scrubbing using the Audio playback settings.

Playback continues after scrubbing in 2014, but not in 2013.

So, if your preference is to be able to hear audio as you drag the cursor, but you don't want the cursor to start playing when you cease the scrubbing, in 2014 you have to select the Preview audio cursor. each time you want to preview. If you want to use either of the other two mouse modes for one track or multi-tracks, you then have to reselect the preview audio mode again before you can search the timeline with the cursor again.

In 2013 you just leave the audio mode in the desired position and never have to use the previw audio mouse mode.

The previw audio mouse mode, in both 2013 and 14 enables an audio playback of an item when you click and hold down the mouse button. When you release the button, the audio preview stops. The manual make no mention of any other function for this mouse mode.

So swiching the mouse mode to preview audio is IMHO just a way of overriding what is a bug (or unwanted new feature?) in 2014.

Bruce - have you raised this with support by opening a ticket? I'd be interested in their opinion of the problem. If you don't have the time, I will.

 

 

 

johnebaker wrote on 9/26/2013, 1:27 PM

Hi

quote jeffin . . . . I think it does matter because it is adding extra mouse operations. . . . .

But does it ?

With MEP 2013 and earlier, if I want to move the mouse to a point in the timeline and then play from that point I then have to hit play or press the spacebar after releasing the cursor - in MEP 2014 the play action is automatic.

Also on the plus side switching the most common mouse modes is now one click in MEP 2014 whereas it was two clicks in previous versions.

So for me there are gains and losses - which is which is a matter of personal preference.

In most cases I use keyboard shortcuts so I do not have the problem of moving the mouse 'all over the place' to do a sequence of actions.

John

 

 

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terrypin wrote on 9/26/2013, 3:04 PM

 

I'm seeing this behavoir as well,  and I think it does matter because it is adding extra mouse operations.

Me too, and I agree it looks like a bug. Personally I also prefer the 2013 tool icon layout.

 

But, like John, I mainly use KB shortcuts or macros. For convenience, I activate Single Object or All Objects (the two I use by far the most) with a simple tap on Numpad 1 or Numpad 2 respectively, close to my mouse.

BTW, in all these years, I'd never used (audio) Scrubbing before being prompted to do so by this thread!

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jeffjn wrote on 9/27/2013, 2:24 AM

John - So you think this has been deliberatly added as a new function? If that were the case, (and perhaps I sniff the presence of a beta tester here ;-) ) then why does it only happen with scrubbing turned on? Surely, if it had decided it was a desireable action, why would it be enabled when audio scrubing, but not with the audio disabled?

IMHO if Magix had decided they wanted to add such a function, it should be switchable, as are some other features of the GUI - The function of the space bar and selecting clip with regard to the playback cursor, for example.

I hardly ever work with audio scrubbing and prefer using keyboard shortcuts as well, so I don't have a vested interest in this.

brucehusker wrote on 9/27/2013, 2:47 AM

I'm just the opposite of you guys. I never really got into the habit of using keyboard shortcuts, so I've always been a mouse guy. It seems that for the types of editing I've been doing for the last 15+ years, Audio is mostly what I key off of. Just works out that way. Since this new scrubbing/mouse mode behavior is suspected of being a new feature, does anyone know where in the help files or manual it's documented? I couldn't find a reference to it, but I may have been looking in the wrong place.

Regards...Bruce

jeffjn wrote on 9/27/2013, 4:48 AM

Personally, I don't think it is a new feature, I think it's a bug. I'm not sure where John stands on the issue but I certainly don't what to get into a disagreement with him.

So, would you like to ask Magix via a support request, or shall I do it?

ralftaro wrote on 9/27/2013, 6:48 AM

Hello all,

John asked me to get clarification on this and I can confirm that it has already been acknowledged as an issue - definitely not intended program behaviour. Not sure when it was first reported but it is already with development and I'm positive the required change will make it into the next update.

Cheers, Ralf

 

jeffjn wrote on 9/27/2013, 9:22 AM

Thanks for the heads up Ralf :-)

johnebaker wrote on 9/27/2013, 10:30 AM

Hi

@ Bruce

. . . . I sniff the presence of a beta tester here . . . 

Noses can deceive     -  as I said below I use keyboard shortcuts so the use of the scrubber is not in my normal repertoire of tools I use in MEP.

Interesting testing it though. personally I would like the option to autoplay when scrubbing.

Also thanks to Ralf for responding.

John

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brucehusker wrote on 9/28/2013, 3:43 AM

Well I guess that explains why I can't find it in the docs. Thanks to all who looked into this. A reversal of the the old..."It's not a feature, it's a bug" :)

Regards...Bruce

brucehusker wrote on 12/15/2013, 5:46 AM

Hi gang...Just curious if anyone knows why this bug wasn't fixed in the recent update? When I first posted this behavior, Ralf mentioned that it was a known issue and thought it would be fixed in the next update. I've installed the new update and the bug still remains. Does this mean that they aren't going to fix it? I did send a query to support this morning, so we'll see if I get an answer there.

Regards...Bruce

terrypin wrote on 12/15/2013, 12:10 PM

 

Hi gang...Just curious if anyone knows why this bug wasn't fixed in the recent update? 

Hi Bruce,

That made me smile, as there must be a dozen or more bugs I've reported over the years that still remain unfixed! 

Terry, East Grinstead, UK 

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