MIDI Direct Sound mute (Update 28.0.1.19)

Warnedyou wrote on 10/20/2019, 6:03 PM

Hi! I'm a new user trying to figure out Magix Music Maker. I first got my hands on it back in December 2017 when a few related items were on the Humblebundle, but I didn't really try it as I didn't have the MIDI equipment I wanted.

Fast forward to two days ago: I picked it back up, connected my old Yamaha PSR-550 via MIDI/USB to my computer, and without really any problems, I saw a response on the virtual keyboard in the program, and got sound from the Grand Piano VSTi I had selected. I'm pretty sure I was using Direct Sound at the time, and I could hear both MMM, the VSTi and everything else going on on my computer, such as Youtube, Spotify, games and Teamspeak. Perfect!

Today I noticed there was a big update to MMM, and decided to try it out. I'm not sure which version I had before (possibly an old one, since I don't think I've updated it since I downloaded it in January of 2018), but now I have version 28.0.1.19.

Now when I try to play on the keyboard, I get a response on the virtual keyboard, but I can't hear it. Went back into the Audio/MIDI settings and tried changing drivers - ASIO works, but I can't get sound with any of the other drivers. Using ASIO means I can't hear anything else, which is a big problem to me. I'd rather use Direct Sound and have a delay when playing around, and switch to ASIO only when I record.

 

Direct Sound worked just fine yesterday with the previous version I was using (wish I knew which), so I was wondering if there's a known change, or if there's anything I can do to play with the MIDI/VSTi while hearing everything else on my computer. I run most sounds through my Behringer Xenyx 1204 USB Mixer, and it would be great if I could have all sounds (MMM, comms, games etc.) go through the mixer without excluding it just to MMM. I use Windows 10. Thank you!

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johnebaker wrote on 10/21/2019, 6:24 AM

@Warnedyou

Hi

. . . . I was wondering if there's a known change, or if there's anything I can do to play with the MIDI/VSTi while hearing everything else on my computer. . . .

Music Maker now uses the ASIO drivers for direct access to the audio card for best performance, it also locks out all other programs and, while you can switch between drivers, not all audio/midi on the timeline will play correctly using the Direct Sound option.

An option is to install and try ASIO4All for playing back and switch to the Magix Low Latency driver for MIDI recording.

HTH

John EB

 

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Warnedyou wrote on 10/21/2019, 7:08 AM

@johnebaker

Okay, thanks for letting me know. I've installed ASIO4All, but I'm still new to this.. does it work differently than normal ASIO? It doesn't seem to allow for multiple programs to use the driver, unless I'm misunderstanding something!

I've heard this is the kinda problem you'd use a mixer to solve, and I have one (for just that reason), but I can't seem to figure it out. I've scoured around the internet in search of any answers, but they're a bit too convoluted to follow. I don't suppose I'll get a simple answer here either, but if you have any pointers that would be awesome!

Again, thanks for telling me anyway!

emmrecs wrote on 10/21/2019, 10:05 AM

@Warnedyou

One of the features/limitations of ASIO (which is built in to its official standard) is that only ONE audio source can access the driver at any given time.

ASIO4All does partially circumvent this, i.e. you can have, theoretically, more than one audio source "live" (accessing the audio interface) simultaneously but it is not at all easy to actually set up!

Jeff

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browj2 wrote on 10/21/2019, 3:19 PM

Hi,

I have an M-Audio M-Track. In Music Maker, I use the M-Track ASIO driver and I monitor through my headphones. If I want to be able to hear other programs at the same time, I set the Windows Sound Output to the speakers. If I set the Windows Sound Output to M-Track ASIO, I can't get sounds from any external programs. Thus, I get Music Maker in my headphones, other programs on the speakers (or another set of headphones connected to the computer and Windows Sound Output set to that).

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Warnedyou wrote on 10/21/2019, 3:28 PM

@emmrecs 

Alright. It's a little tempting to ask how to have that work, but for now I'm making do by connecting my phone to the mixer so I can listen to material etc. through that. I'm not able to use the program with comms and all on the side, but that's fine for now.

Warnedyou wrote on 10/21/2019, 3:49 PM

Tried doing something here, and interestingly, WASAPI didn't work for me until I activated VB-Audio Cable, and selected that as the output. I'm listening to the other end in the windows sound manager, and now I have pretty much the same result as when I initially tried using Direct Sound with the previous MMM build!

I'm getting a ~0.3sec delay (before it must've been 0.1 or 0.2), which is pretty substantial and absolutely not ideal, but that'd at least me a second option if it could be reduced somehow.