Moving on from MEP 13

starship.1 wrote on 8/7/2021, 1:52 PM

Right I know i am slow on the uptake, but when things work i dont like to change. However now i have too.

I have now had a new PC built to my own speck and it works well. I am not using wins 10.

I have loaded my MEP13 plus onto the PC, i have not yet used it, with the exception on a play back of my old built movie clips, which appears to work well, but not yet got to building a new video.

So my question is,

1; How does the old MEP 13 plus work with Wins 10 ?

2; If i were to purchase the new 2021, would i be able to view my old clips made with MEP13 plus ?

3; I did purchase so ad ons such as transitions from catooh, but they appear to have gone, would i be able to get ad ons ?

 

Thank you.

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CubeAce wrote on 8/7/2021, 2:48 PM

@starship.1

Hi.

Answers in order.

1: No ,it will not have full functionality if it works at all.

2: if by clips you mean projects, no. If you mean exported video clips made with MEP 13 then yes. They can be imported and used in MEP 2021. Will MEP 2021 run on your new machine? You would have to supply us with the full specification of your new build as some on the forum users with new machines have found themselves unable to use the program due to below specification components within the build.

3: Older Cahoot transitions probably will not work on a new system. Some older file types are either not of sufficient resolution to be used or incompatible with the newer software. Some may though as it is hard to be specific without specific information.

Ray.

 

 

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emmrecs wrote on 8/7/2021, 3:20 PM

@starship.1

Please obscure the Device ID and Product ID information of your computer. These are specific to your computer and so should not be listed in a public forum like this one.

MEP is really designed to run on intel CPUs rather than AMD; it should “work” with your CPU, but certain features like Hardware Acceleration will not be available to you. Also, having only 8GB RAM is really the absolute minimum for video editing.

Jeff

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CubeAce wrote on 8/7/2021, 3:46 PM

@starship.1

No problem.

The specifications for running Movie Edit Pro for some time now have included the need for an Intel Processor with a dedicated inboard Intel GPU chip. I think that specific requirement came in with MEP 2019 and the start of the use of the Infusion engine but my memory of that is a bit sketchy and could be wrong. Even when I used MEP 2018 without an available Intel GPU the going was slow and painful for me personally. While not impossible to run MEP without an integrated Intel GPU it means there is little chance of using any hardware acceleration within the program making using the program response and use at any modern resolution sluggish at best with the least complex projects.

While AMD based machines have nearly always represented more bang for the buck in general performance terms, particularly for gaming, in my opinion they have always lagged behind in video production capabilities and reliability within that specific environment.

So what I think I'm saying is I think MEP 2021 will run but probably won't be the best experience you could have with it..

I think at this point I would be glad to see someone with an AMD based machine chip in and prove me wrong with an encouraging reply which I would gladly accept.

Ray.

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browj2 wrote on 8/7/2021, 3:52 PM

@starship.1

Hi,

Download the trial of Plus or Premium and try it out to see what happens.

John CB

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AAProds wrote on 8/8/2021, 1:06 AM

@starship.1

How does the old MEP 13 plus work with Wins 10 ?

I have ancient programs that still work well with Win 10, so give MEP 13 a workout. You may be pleasantly surprised.

If it doesn't, give the trial a go.

If i were to purchase the new 2021, would i be able to view my old clips made with MEP13 plus ?

Yes. MEP 2021 will open the earlier DIP and MVD projects and movies, as well as any of the exported types such as MPEG or MP4. MEP 13 is a long time ago, and MEP 2021 I suspect will open more file types without issue.

Once again, I can't remember back that far, but MEP 2021 has the latest iteration of the keyframing function which makes life easier in relation to keyframing.

Do not be scared away by the lack of a GPU (aka hardware acceleration). My MEP 2021 happily runs on my old i5 machine with no effective standalone GPU or CPU GPU at all, up to HD (1920 x 1080). I do have a bit more RAM than you (12 vs 8). There's a bit of jerkiness occasionally if I add effects, but I can cope OK. As for final rendering, of course it will take longer than if you had a GPU of some flavour, but that doesn't bother me. Long renders I do overnight.

Try the trial. 👍

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Reyfox wrote on 8/8/2021, 2:49 PM

While AMD based machines have nearly always represented more bang for the buck in general performance terms, particularly for gaming, in my opinion they have always lagged behind in video production capabilities and reliability within that specific environment.

So what I think I'm saying is I think MEP 2021 will run but probably won't be the best experience you could have with it..

I think at this point I would be glad to see someone with an AMD based machine chip in and prove me wrong with an encouraging reply which I would gladly accept.

Ray.

Hey Ray!

I have to respectfully disagree with your comment on AMD hardware. See my sig for my computer specs. I have no problems with VPX17, Vegas Pro 18 (and less issues with the "old" AMD graphics card than those with Nvidia as per forum posts), Hitfilm Pro 16 and Resolve 17 Studio.

You also have to say what a "best experience" is.

I've been editing 4:2:2 10bit 24P 4K footage quite well, especially in VPX and Resolve. Vegas handles the footage, but playback isn't as smooth as Resolve and VPX unless you use proxies, then all bets are off.

Intel was the best choice for pure gaming until Ryzen 3000/5000, but in the gaming world, Intel still holds it's own. For anything that makes use of multcore/thread CPU's, it's AMD all the way. I suggest a read of this ARTICLE on both CPU and GPU. If pure speed in single or lightly threaded apps is needed, then yes, Intel. After that.....

As for reliability of AMD, you need look no further than the highly regarded Puget Systems. They used to sell exclusively Intel, until Ryzen the last couple of years. Now, according to them, of all the custom workstation/server computers they sell, 60% are AMD based, including the Ryzen series and Threadripper CPU's.

I've had zero problems with my AMD builds going back to the Ryzen 1700X.

CubeAce wrote on 8/8/2021, 4:09 PM

@Reyfox

Hi.

I had based my reply purely on the amount of users with AMD based systems coming to the forums here with various problems apposed to the amount we see with people using Intel based systems of which we seem to get many more of. Most complaining of poor playback performance or export problems. This could of course be down purely to the systems being older or less powerful in general.

I'm editing on average 4K 100mbps 50fps video clips on average without the need for proxy files until or if I add more heavy usage effects or animated 3D titling.

My idea of a less than ideal experience is not being to be able to scroll back and forth the timeline as quickly as I would like or suffer delayed or uneven playback without suffering any dropouts or crashes, along with an expectation of a reasonable export time dependent on the complexity of the project. That of course is also dependent on the resolution and frame rates involved. If a person is not using material more demanding than HD and staying away from H265 encoded files I would think they are not likely to encounter too many problems on a mid range spec machine. Regardless, it seems that an AMD chip needs to be somewhat more powerful with MEP than a machine using a "lesser" Intel chip with an appropriate inboard Intel GPU.

Ray.

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Reyfox wrote on 8/8/2021, 5:52 PM

I guess we will have to disagree. I actually own and use an all AMD computer so speak from 1st hand experience of using it with 150MB/s + 10bit video clips. Scrolling back an forth on the timeline isn't an issue. And while there are more Intel computers out there in the world, comparing cost of hardware equivalency, in the two links I provided, AMD systems are the better choice for Adobe video/photo editors, Resolve users, and as tested and compared, Vegas Pro usage. IPC, which benefitted Intel "forever", is not an issue anymore. The numbers don't lie. Puget Systems is a highly respected systems integration company specializing in the workstation field which includes video editing. The "major" youtubers all use AMD in their editing rigs (Jay 2cents, Steve "Gamers Nexus", Linus "LTT", Wendel "Level1Techs", etc).

I have no information on AMD APU's and how they work within video editing software using Vega graphics. And of course, how a computer system is maintained matters a lot.

Anyways, happy editing!

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johnebaker wrote on 8/9/2021, 4:21 AM

@Reyfox

Hi

. . . . I have no problems with VPX17 . . . .

VPX 17 does not exist - this latest version is 13.

. . . . The numbers don't lie . . .

They may not, however they must be quoted in context, and with the qualification of which software was used to get the numbers.

. . . . The "major" youtubers all use AMD in their editing rigs . . . .

They may do, however it is the video editing software are they using that is relevant.

What other software such as Adobe video/photo editors, Vegas Pro, Hitfilm Pro 16 and Resolve 17 Studio can/can't do is not relevant to this topic as they are based on different technology which depend of Nvidia or AMD GPU's, and, as @CubeAce has rightly said, AMD/Nvidia combinations users have a lot of issues with Movie Edit Pro.

At the present time Video Pro X 13, the Magix pro video editor, is capable of using Nvidia and AMD GPU's.

MEP being a prosumer product, does not fully utilise the Nvidia/AMD capabilities and has been built around Intel GPU's since Nvidia dropped NVCUVENC (often misnamed as CUDA) in 2014, replacing it with NVENC.

I hope this clarifies the discussion - IMHO there is nothing to agree to disagree about.

Happy editing

John EB
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Reyfox wrote on 8/9/2021, 5:58 AM

@johnebaker sorry for not being clearer when I wrote VPX17. It is the version number of VPX.... 17.0.3.68 (UDP3). I hope that clarifies it better.

As for my statements about the "numbers don't lie", they don't in the context of the software being used, which I did have in my post above. Adobe (video or photo editing), Resolve, and Vegas Pro. That information was in the links I posted along with additional software tested. As for the Youtubers that use AMD hardware, it's because of it's superiority in multi-threaded applications and reliability of the hardware. That too was included in my post.

This was in response to the comment of "While AMD based machines have nearly always represented more bang for the buck in general performance terms, particularly for gaming, in my opinion they have always lagged behind in video production capabilities and reliability within that specific environment." I presented an opposing "opinion" with factual numbers. That's all.

I did give my real world personal experience with VPX with demanding 4:2:2 150MB/s+10 bit 4K footage. And while I don't have a current version of MEP, for those looking to upgrade, my response would give them additional information as to computer hardware.

I hope this clarifies my response and why.

Scenestealer wrote on 8/9/2021, 7:19 AM

@Reyfox

Hi

......so speak from 1st hand experience of using it with 150MB/s + 10bit video clips. Scrolling back an forth on the timeline isn't an issue.

It is hard to tell from the brief specification you have stated for your clips, but be aware that often higher bitrate clips are often professional codecs using Intraframe (all I frame) or no B (I & P only) frame compression which is much easier to encode / decode, and as such puts far less load on the hardware during preview and scrolling.

I am sure you mean 150Mbps - not MBps, also😉.

@AAProds

.....My MEP 2021 happily runs on my old i5 machine with no effective standalone GPU or CPU GPU at all......

Hmmm.....how on earth do you see anything then, without any Graphics Processing Unit??😄😄

@CubeAce

My idea of a less than ideal experience is not being to be able to scroll back and forth the timeline as quickly as I would like or suffer delayed or uneven playback...

This is exactly what Magix have been working hard to improve, with the Infusion engine 2 and now 3, by utilising the discreet GPU and the Integrated GPU to accelerate decoding (decompression) during preview and scrolling.

MEP13? we must be talking about MEP2013 as I don't remember there being an MEP13...?

Peter

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johnebaker wrote on 8/9/2021, 7:20 AM

@Reyfox

Hi

Thanks for the clarification on the VPX 17 ie VPX 11 v17.

I can see where you are coming from with respect to other video editors and agree, however we are talking in the context of this topic which concerns Movie Edit Pro, hence @CubeAce comment re AMD is valid.

John EB

 

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AAProds wrote on 8/9/2021, 7:40 AM

@Scenestealer

Hmmm.....how on earth do you see anything then, without any Graphics Processing Unit??

Ha ha! In the context of accelerated whatsamacallits, I meant. 😉👍

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Magix Video Deluxe 2026 Ultimate (although it comes up as "Premium").

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

System 3

Windows 11

CPU i5

GPU

2TB NVME HDD

Movie Studio 2025

Reyfox wrote on 8/9/2021, 9:08 AM

@Scenestealer, sorry for the typo! But I am glad you understood what I meant.

Here is MediaInfo on the files I am editing now in a MOV container:

Format :AVC

Format/Info :Advanced Video Codec

Format profile :High 4:2:2@L5.1

Format settings, CABAC :Yes

Format settings, Reference frames :1 frame

Format settings, GOP :M=1, N=12

Codec ID :avc1

Codec ID/Info :Advanced Video Coding

Duration :33 s 33 ms

Bit rate mode :Variable

Bit rate :150 Mb/s

Maximum bit rate :180 Mb/s

Width :3 840 pixels

Height :2 160 pixels

Display aspect ratio :16:9

Frame rate mode :Constant

Frame rate :23.976 FPS

Standard :Component

Color space :YUV

Chroma subsampling :4:2:2

Bit depth :10 bits

Scan type :Progressive

Bits/(Pixel*Frame) :0.752

Stream size :589 MiB (97%)

Encoded date :UTC 2021-06-28 14:53:18

Tagged date :UTC 2021-06-28 14:53:18

Color range :Limited

Color primaries :BT.709

Transfer characteristics :BT.709

Matrix coefficients :BT.709

johnebaker wrote on 8/9/2021, 9:20 AM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter

. . . . MEP13? we must be talking about MEP2013 . . . .

MEP 13 did exist - I started with MEP 11 and 13 was the only version I skipped. The naming convention changed to MEP MX and then again the following year to MEP 2013.

Going on @Reyfox clarification of VPX17, this could be MEP 2014 v13.x.x.xxx.

@AAProds

Alwyn are you still on the ATI Radeon HD 4770?

John EB

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

CubeAce wrote on 8/9/2021, 9:38 AM

@starship.1 @johnebaker @emmrecs @browj2 @Scenestealer @Reyfox

Hi all and first off. Wow! I didn't expect this level of interest on any of my comments considering I was referring to the need of an appropriate inboard Intel graphics chip for use within Movie Edit Pro specifically. And how much the lack of such an inclusion tends to generate more queries about abnormal experiences using MEP than from those who tend to have the full minimum system specs within their computer builds. That would of course also include those with Intel CPU but without such an appropriate embedded GPU.

I also said I would be more than glad to see anyone with an AMD based system with an encouraging reply which I would gladly accept.

I am glad to see Reyfox have a positive experience with VPX 13 especially at this point of its development. It is good to see but up to a point irrelevant to the application of MEP 2021 as John EB has pointed out.

Also as Peter (Scenestealer) has  pointed out a lot would also depend on the type of files a person is trying to use within MEP and as I have no idea what those would be I put such a proposal forward with caution based on the problems and relevant solutions that have had to be applied in the past.

I did read the support article that Reyfox supplied. It was very informative. In all but one test it was also irrelevant due to the tests not including the use of an internal GPU but relying instead on CPU grunt alone to which I would concede  would be in favour of AMD system but again these tests were purely set to see performance figures for rendering times and doesn't necessarily give a user experience or deal with varying file types.

The one Test I did find interesting was where they allowed the inboard GPUs to function but they only did it for one of the two Vegas tests.

I wish they had repeated that test for Adobe Premier. Why? I think it would have given similar results based on the running requirement specs for adobe if you wish to add hardware acceleration into the mix.  

I don't know if an Intel chip in the mix would produce similar results but it would have been good to see and leaves me wondering why that test was not repeated for Adobe Premier.


Maybe this is why Techgage also seem to do a bit of a disclaimer at the end of their conclusions as well quoting. " For rendering, the CPUs with the most cores win (ignoring anomalies), but in encoding, performance of one chip vs. another is even harder to sum-up. If you looked through our Premiere Pro data, you would have noticed that not only do full projects behave differently from one CPU to another, but individual codecs do, as well. If you work primarily with one codec more than others, you will want to make sure your chosen CPU is actually better than the competition."

If you do follow the Linus Group YouTube channels and have seen the video production setup they have for their ten video editors and you would see what a beast that central system is and how it is constantly updated. Not a typical end user for MEP I think. Jay 2cents, main rig is for testing other systems against for gaming comparisons and AMD makes sense for him to edit his videos on. I have no idea which editing platform he is using.

Quite a few editing packages and other video rendering products can make benefit of the Intel Quick-sync technology and is posted on their website.

Ray.

 

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Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

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1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

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AAProds wrote on 8/9/2021, 9:56 AM

@johnebaker

Alwyn are you still on the ATI Radeon HD 4770?

John, I sure am! No hardware acceleration from it. For a giggle, I bought a GTX1050Ti, which I put into my machine but had no luck with it: I couldn't get it installed, as Windows kept "stopping" it due to the card "reporting problems". It is now waiting on the shelf for my new rig.

Wasn't MEP 13 the one with that ghastly light grey interface? It got changed pretty quickly back to dark, IIRC.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Magix Video Deluxe 2026 Ultimate (although it comes up as "Premium").

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

System 3

Windows 11

CPU i5

GPU

2TB NVME HDD

Movie Studio 2025

johnebaker wrote on 8/9/2021, 10:16 AM

@AAProds

MEP 15 was the first with the darker interface - all previous versions were the light grey IIRC.

. . . . Windows kept "stopping" it due to the card "reporting problems . . . .

OT however - does the M/B have PCIE 3.0 slots? If not this could be the problem.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

AAProds wrote on 8/9/2021, 11:10 AM

@johnebaker

MEP 15 was the first with the darker interface - all previous versions were the light grey IIRC.

Nah, 2004 was dark (or darker). I remember the user revolt when the light one came out. Magix changed it back pronto. Actually, they gave us a light or dark option in the settings.

does the M/B have PCIE 3.0 slots? If not this could be the problem.

No, they are only PCIE 2.0. 😂

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Magix Video Deluxe 2026 Ultimate (although it comes up as "Premium").

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

System 3

Windows 11

CPU i5

GPU

2TB NVME HDD

Movie Studio 2025

Reyfox wrote on 8/9/2021, 12:25 PM

@CubeAce the Adobe image you added to your post is not for Adobe Premiere, but is for VR system requirements. Look again at the top of that page.

The conclusion on the Techgage website was: "For CPU-dedicated rendering, the huge collection of tests in this article have proven that more cores = quicker renders. Unfortunately for Intel, AMD’s latest generation of Ryzen chips are seriously strong in many regards, but especially with rendering. We saw multiple instances where the new AMD six-core 5600X beat out the Intel six-core Core i5-10600K. In a couple of other instances, the eight-core 5800X even managed to edge out the ten-core i9-10900K... If you’ll primarily be doing your rendering (or encoding) tasks with the GPU’s help, then you’re not as likely to need a many-core CPU. After looking over all of the performance in this article, we feel as though a chip like the $449 Ryzen 7 5800X offers great performance for its price. For many, eight cores should be sufficient, but it’s important to understand how a larger CPU would impact other aspects of your workflow, as well (such as physics, baking, etc.)"

There has been much talk on video quality between software and hardware. I'm not a pixel peeper, but edit on a 4K LG IPS monitor to make sure there aren't any "anomalies" present in the video, especially looking at a blue sky with it's natural gradient.

For MEP, the "newest" version I have is 2016 (IIRC), which is not installed on the computer because of VPX. And while video editing is one aspect of using a computer, there are other software to consider when buying hardware and also looking "down the road" for possible other software. I know people who never thought Blender was something that they would use. Now, they are.

But anyways, you really can't go wrong with the hardware that is currently out there. For years, the computer hardware has been great, no matter what brand you get.

Oh, I did leave a comment on the Techgage page asking about why QS isn't included in the testing.

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johnebaker wrote on 8/9/2021, 2:43 PM

@Reyfox

Hi

The article the last quote came from makes interesting reading?

You left out a significant statement which came after the section you quoted above ie:

. . . . in encoding, performance of one chip vs. another is even harder to sum-up. If you looked through our Premiere Pro data, you would have noticed that not only do full projects behave differently from one CPU to another, but individual codecs do, as well. If you work primarily with one codec more than others, you will want to make sure your chosen CPU is actually better than the competition. . . .

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Reyfox wrote on 8/9/2021, 3:41 PM

@johnebaker yes, it depends on if you are basically using one codec.... not many people use just one all the time, depending on where the finished video will end up. I can see that the export options are limited in MEP2021, so it's a mote point. It's only when they want to move further up the editing ladder (which some do), that there is a consideration to which of the various codecs you are going to use and if you collaborate with others.

I guess I am looking at this all wrong... and not as a "consumer" editor.... sorry.

CubeAce wrote on 8/9/2021, 4:36 PM

@Reyfox

Hi.

the Adobe image you added to your post is not for Adobe Premiere, but is for VR system requirements. Look again at the top of that page.

Actually, no. Look at the top of the page and use the blue links to get to the correct boxes.

What you refer to is the box above the one I've posted. Mine is for hardware acceleration.

On a separate note I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with a fixation on blue sky graduations. 😄. I thought I was alone. There you have a distinct advantage over me being able to produce 10 bit files. Me, I have to keep a very close eye on my exposures.

I agree that above a certain level of equipment that performance becomes less of a concern. It's the ones that barely scrape past the minimum requirements and are left wondering what has gone wrong that concern me and try to guide.

Ray.

 

 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

johnebaker wrote on 8/9/2021, 4:44 PM

@Reyfox

Hi

I agree with you about when moving up the ladder, codecs and standards can become very important, especially for commercial broadcast work as you have to meet many varied requirements and different standards, which in turn can mean that you have to use specific software, rather than what you would like to use, and some expense and pain getting to grips with the differences.

Best wishes

John EB

 

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.