Object Trimmer Resetting

AAProds wrote on 9/26/2020, 3:20 AM

Hello all, I'm trying to "sync" or align two videos (Pic n Pic). I'm using the object Trimmer on one video and move it a bit, but when I click OK, all the other objects (including the one I am trying to bump away from) jump to the new position of the bumped video.

Any ideas on how to get the Object Trimmer to do what I want it to, which is move an object a few frames without moving the others?

Thanks, Al

 

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johnebaker wrote on 9/26/2020, 4:34 AM

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

. . . . Any ideas on how to get the Object Trimmer to do what I want it to . . . .

Works OK here in MEP 2021, however this is not how I would sync the 2 clips - I just drag the object, while zoomed in down to frame level, to sync where needed.

John EB

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AAProds wrote on 9/26/2020, 4:44 AM

@johnebaker

Thanks John, I'll have another play and I'll try your technique.

Has Magix fixed the Object Trimmer bug where nothing would work unless you had already dragged in the corners? Perhaps this issue was fixed with that.

Cheers, Al

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Magix Video Deluxe 2026 Ultimate (although it comes up as "Premium").

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

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johnebaker wrote on 9/26/2020, 5:33 AM

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn

. . . . fixed the Object Trimmer bug where nothing would work unless you had already dragged in the corners . . .

I assume you are referring to not being able to change the fade in/out using the Object Trimmer until you had moved the relevant handles on a object.

This does appear to be fixed in MEP 2021.

John EB

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PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

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AAProds wrote on 9/26/2020, 5:43 AM

@johnebaker

You assume correctly, John. Thanks.

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Magix Video Deluxe 2026 Ultimate (although it comes up as "Premium").

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

System 3

Windows 11

CPU i5

GPU

2TB NVME HDD

Movie Studio 2025

browj2 wrote on 9/26/2020, 10:05 AM

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn,

Strangely, there is no nudge an object without affecting anything else. In MEP2021, like you, when I use the Object trimmer, moving the object moves everything above, below and to the right by the same distance.

As John EB mentioned, zooming in and moving the object with the mouse is probably the best way. Here are other ways.

1. Set the beginning range marker where you want the beginning of the clip to be moved to, then drag the clip. It should snap into place. Use the arrow keys to place the playback marker at the desired location, then shortcut "I" to put the start of the range.

2. Same as above, but put a snap marker (Ctrl+P) on the main object where you want the second object to be moved to instead of creating a range, and then drag head of the second object to the snap marker; they snap into place. You can even put a snap marker in each object and then line up the snap markers by dragging the second object. This is the method that I use most.

Next, using the Object Trimmer is a bit convoluted but can be done:

3. If the head and tail of the clip have been trimmed, then you can use the bottom left and right movements of the Object editor to move the object without moving anything else, but it changes the start and end position within the clip. The left set of arrows moves the left end, the right set moves the right end of the object. Object contents can compensate. Thus to move the object to the left by 3 frames, click on the bottom left, left arrow -3 frames, the bottom right, left arrow -3 frames, Object contents right arrow 3 frames to compensate.

4. If only the tail has been trimmed, to go left, Object contents right button by 3 frames, then the bottom two left arrows to the left. Reverse this if the head has been trimmed but not the tail.

Actually, for trimmed clips, you may just want to simply move the Object Contents by a few frames and then adjust the head and tail with the mouse, if necessary.

John CB

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AAProds wrote on 9/27/2020, 6:27 AM

@browj2 Thanks John, I'll check those techniques out. Cheers, Al

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Magix Video Deluxe 2026 Ultimate (although it comes up as "Premium").

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

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GPU

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AAProds wrote on 9/27/2020, 8:45 AM

@browj2 John, when I create a snap marker, nothing appears. Are we supposed to see them?

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Magix Video Deluxe 2026 Ultimate (although it comes up as "Premium").

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

System 3

Windows 11

CPU i5

GPU

2TB NVME HDD

Movie Studio 2025

browj2 wrote on 9/27/2020, 9:00 AM

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn,

Admittedly, a bit hard to see without increasing the height of a track, and even then... When you mouseover the snap line, it increases in size and you'll see kind of a white marker at the bottom.

John CB

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AAProds wrote on 8/23/2021, 10:24 AM

I'm now on MEP 2021 and this is still the same. I consider it to be a bug. This Object Trimmer function should just move the object in the trimmer but they all move.

Thoughts?

PS: I have used the snap markers, which are great, but I got it one frame out. Zooming right in to frame level to sync is so... 😉

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Magix Video Deluxe 2026 Ultimate (although it comes up as "Premium").

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 Home Version 2009

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

Movie Studio 2023

Movie Studio 2024

VPX 12

System 3

Windows 11

CPU i5

GPU

2TB NVME HDD

Movie Studio 2025

browj2 wrote on 8/23/2021, 11:31 AM

@AAProds

Hi Alwyn,

Yes, moving a clip using the Object Trimmer causes everything else above, below and to the right to move. As far as I know, this is intended, but I don't like it either.

Other than doing what John EB suggests, which is the easiest method, if your clip has been trimmed, then you can use the bottom left buttons to move the start by x frames, followed by using the Move object content button to move the contents back by x frames. Start by noting the value of the Object content because this is what you want to get back to. If this requires the ending to also be adjusted, use the bottom right arrows to move the ending by x frames. If there is anything adjacent to the object then, depending on whether or not it has been trimmed, a transitions will be created or it will be pushed. It's a bit convoluted for something that should be simple. It is actual easy when you know how it works.

Example on a trimmed clip to move 6 frames to the left with object content value at 34: bottom left arrow by 6 frames, Object content is now at 28 so right arrow to get back to 34. Bottom right will say +6, so you need to shorten the ending by getting it back to 0 using the bottom right, left arrow.

John CB

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