Original video is in color, Magix preview shows it as black and white

Leil wrote on 6/27/2016, 9:13 AM

I am trying to back up VHS-C (compact) videos from a 30-year-old JVC camcorder using an old VCR.  The original movies show on the television in color.  However, when I try to import them to Magix, the preview screen shows them as black and white. I have tried all the NTSC setting choices, and PAL as well.  The VCR can handle both standards. What must I do to import the videos so that they look like the originals?

My OS is Microsoft Windows 7.

I am using "Magix Video easy rescue your videotapes! Premium"

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johnebaker wrote on 6/27/2016, 10:44 AM

Hi

 

. . . .when I try to import them to Magix, the preview screen shows them as black and white. . . .

This is usually caused by trying to record NTSC as PAL or vice versa.

. . . . I have tried all the NTSC setting choices, and PAL as well . . . .

Was this in the RYVT recording settings.

. . . . The VCR can handle both standards. . . .

Many VCRs are able to handle both standards for playback, however only output one video standard - which standard does it use for the composite video out?

What device are you using for video to digital conversion eg Terratec, Magix USB video converter etc?

Are you connecting via SCART (or individual RCA connectors) - to Composite (yellow plug) and Audio connectors (red + white connectors) or via S-Video connection and audio connectors?

John EB

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Leil wrote on 6/28/2016, 5:08 AM

Hello John,

      Thank you for your response, John.  You asked, "Was this in the RYVT recording settings?" I don't have the RYVT product, so I don't know what those settings would be.

My VCR claims to be YK2 Bug Free, so it is THAT old. It's an LG VHS-Hi-Fi-Stereo-Video Recorder. It was purchased in Switzerland (instructions are in German as well as in English) which would mean if it only outputs one signal, that would be PAL. I am able to create a color video from a PAL video cassette using "Magix Video easy rescue your videotapes! Premium." (A problem: the video produced shifts from normal or overly pink tones to green tones and back again; in other words, some colors are true, others are wrong). When I take a US video cassette which plays in color on the TV and create a video copy using Magix, this is Black and White.  Does this mean that, with this VCR, I will not be able to back up my old home movies, which are NTSC in color, using this Magix product?

On the cassette cover of the VCR (where you insert the cassette), it says NTSC Playback. By the scart cable out connection, it says, Euro AV1. I assume this means PAL output?

For video to digital conversion, I think you are asking about the Magix No. K0067 device, which has ports for the red-, white-, and yellow-ended cables in, with an out cable that connects to a USB port at the computer.

I am using a SCART outlet at the back of the VCR which conneccts via Composite (red, yellow, white). If I would switch to S-Video with audio connectors, would that help?

Thanks so much,

Linda

johnebaker wrote on 6/28/2016, 6:10 AM

Hi Linda

. . . . I don't have the RYVT product . . . .

Aplologies - I should have madit clear that RYVT = Magix Video Easy Rescue Your Video Tapes.

. . . . LG VHS-Hi-Fi-Stereo-Video Recorder . . . purchased in Switzerland . . .   if it only outputs one signal, that would be PAL . . .

Depending on the model that may be correct.

. . . . By the scart cable out connection, it says, Euro AV1. I assume this means PAL output . . . .

Not necessarily, EuroAV  is an alternative name for SCART.

Does the VCR have an AV2 socket and is it for output or input or both?

If output or both have you tried recording from it?

. . . . it says NTSC Playback . . . .

This is the puzzling part - the issue you are having is typical of playback of NTSC on PAL equipment, however with NTSC playback capability the video 'should be' correctly displayed in colour unless this applies to the RF output only of the VCR.

The VCR manual may be able to help in this respect.

. . . . PAL video cassette ,. . . the video produced shifts from normal or overly pink tones to green tones and back again . . . .

This is typical of worn video heads or worn / deterioration ot the tapes.  if the colour variations are different from tape to tape then it is most likely the tapes.

HTH

John EB

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Leil wrote on 6/28/2016, 8:01 AM

Dear John,

     thank you for the clarification about Rescue Your Video Tapes (RYVT). 

       The AV2 socket  on the back of the VCR says "Decoder."  I have plugged the SCART cable in and tried the following: 

     In the File icon at the top of the RYVT screen, under "settings" and then under "program," I set the standard to NTSC and tried the four different setting types available; the compatibility setting works the best. The others give little blue red and green pixels in a black and white video copy.  All give black and white.  Then I changed from NTSC to PAL, and an interesting thing happened.  When I clicked on the record quality between very high and high, each time I switched, I would see a still COLOR image with accurate colors, albeit a distorted in parts.  When I initiated the transfer of the video to make a Magix copy, there was only sound but no image.  So... it IS posible for the color to get through, at least for one distorted frame.

When I switch between PAL B, D, H, I, N, all the previews are a still image, but with color.  When I use PAL M, the video moves, but is Black and White. Sometimes there are red blue and green stripes overlayed.

Another interesting thing: When I go to Advanced settings and click on "format," with Video Standard set to NTSC_M, Color space/compression is set to YUY2.  Other choices are UYVY and Y8. When I clicked on "OK" or "apply" with any of these settings, an error message appeared: "this format is not currently available."  I don't know if that matters.  While doing this, I seemed to have crashed the program and had to go to task manager to end the task.

You wrote, "with NTSC playback capability the video 'should be' correctly displayed in colour unless this applies to the RF output only of the VCR."  I see the cable coming out of the RF output in the back of the VCR.  However, I connect to the TV using the SCART port.  And there, the color transfer from device to device works.

Am I missing something with the program settings in RYVT?  Some icon I haven't clicked on yet which would make everything work?  What should my settings be? 

Maybe I will dig out the old camcorder bought in 1986 and see if there is a cable I could use to connect it to the Magix analog to digital converter box...

Best Wishes, and Thanks again! 

Linda

johnebaker wrote on 6/28/2016, 9:39 AM

Hi Linda

. . . . I connect to the TV using the SCART port.  And there, the color transfer from device to device works. . . . .

That proves that the VCR is outputting a colour image correctly via the SCART socket and eliminates it as being the cause of the issue - in which format we do not know however the VCR manual should tell you which of the PAL / NTSC standards it is using, this in turn should poin you to the settings required in RYVT.

If you do not have the VCR manual or the information is not there, which model is it?

. . . . The AV2 socket  on the back of the VCR says "Decoder." . . . .

This i usually for connecting a set top box, eg satellite receiver, Freeview box, to be able to record from the box to tape and forward the video/audio to the TV via the AV1 socket. 

HTH

John EB

 

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Leil wrote on 6/28/2016, 10:47 AM

Dear John,

      I sure feel fortunate to have you helping me.  Thank you again!  I have the manual.  I'll take it out onto the terrace (it's a beautiful breezy sunny warm evening).  And read.

Best wishes and see you soon.

Linda

Leil wrote on 6/30/2016, 5:11 AM

Dear John,

     The VCR is an LG AF999P. In the manual, it says:

Television System: CCIR standard, PAL (B/G), SECAM (B/G) Color signal.

Recording Format: PAL/MESECAM.

RF reception: PAL B/G, SECAM B/G.

RF OUT: PAL G

Input level: VIDEO IN (SCART, RCA type)

Output level: VIDEO OUT (SCART type)

I have run into a new problem.  In converting a PAL video, using the PAL setting, the color is correct, however the voice and picture are offset / do not fit together.

To come back to an earlier question, the AV2 composite sockets on the front of the machine say Video In and Audio In.  I did try connecting to the MAGIX converter, but  I didn't receive any signal.

I examined the camcorder to see about connecting it directly to the MAGIX converter.  It is a GR-C7U.  On ebay: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=jvc+gr-c7u.  In the old days, I connected it to a TV with the RF-P1U pictured here: http://www.movesurplus.com/product/jvc-rf-unit-video-audio-unit-rf-p1u. If I can find a way to connect the camcorder (which still works) to the Magix converter, I could buypass the VCR.  The camcorder output signal is NTSC.

Thanks for getting back to me if you have time. 

Best wishes,
Linda

 

 

 

johnebaker wrote on 6/30/2016, 7:44 PM

Hi Linda

. . . . If I can find a way to connect the camcorder (which still works) to the Magix converter, I could buypass the VCR. . . . . .

AFAICS the GR-7CU has a composite video/audio output socket.

However it would appear to be a special plug - from memory JVC used 2 different types of output socket - a round multipin connector or a multi ring and tip jack plug  if you have the lead that came with the camera it will have a multipin round connector on one end and yellow, white and red RCA connectors on the other.

If the socket is the multi ring and tip plug and you do not have the cable - which was was common for a lot of JVC camcorders and other makes, you may be able to find one on EBay such as this one

HTH

John EB

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fanny-vanthemsche wrote on 4/18/2018, 12:15 PM

When I switch between PAL B, D, H, I, N, all the previews are a still image, but with color.  When I use PAL M, the video moves, but is Black and White. Sometimes there are red blue and green stripes overlayed.

Another interesting thing: When I go to Advanced settings and click on "format," with Video Standard set to NTSC_M, Color space/compression is set to YUY2.  Other choices are UYVY and Y8. When I clicked on "OK" or "apply" with any of these settings, an error message appeared: "this format is not currently available."  I don't know if that matters.  While doing this, I seemed to have crashed the program and had to go to task manager to end the task.

 

Hi everyone,

I know this post has been around for ome time but I'm having the same issues as Linda did.

I'm trying to digitize old homemovies made while we were living in Brazil when I was a kid to give as a birthday present. I'm using Magix Easy Converter 2018, and Windows 10. I have an LG V280 VCR bought in Belgium in 2007.

The User's guide Specifications says it has:

Inputs (VCR)

Audio:

-6.0 dBm, more than 10 kohms (SCART)

-6.0 dBm, more than 47 kohms (RCA)

Video:

1.0 Vp-p, 75 ohms, unbalanced (SCART/RCA)

 

Outputs

Audio: -6.0 dBm, less than 1 kohms (SCART)

Video: 1.0 Vp-p, 75 ohms, unbalanced (SCART)

RGB output: 0.7 Vp-p, 75 ohms

 

The problem I'm having is that when I try to transfert the videos to my computer, it looses all its color, while it's fully colorized on my TV. So looking on forums I realized that I should try changing formats, which I did. I realized that I get the clearest image when I'm using the NTSC format: the quality is nearly perfect, but it's all B&W! Seeing that the standard for Brazil is PAL-M, I tried that one but it doesn't work, the film continues playing but it's all green and red stripes.

So I tried all of them and I noticed something strange. As Linda had noticied, the image turns full color when she changes the format to PAL (the one working best with mine being PAL-H) but the image turns still.

I'm getting desperate I've been at it for hours and can't seem to be getting anywhere! :)

Can anyone help me?

Thank you so much!

Fanny