Yes. My Configuration is much higher then minimum. There was no any problem with MEP 2021. All started after upgrade to 2022. My config is

Proc : Intel Core i5-9400F CPU @ 2.90GHz, 6core
RAM 32MB RAM
GPU : NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER
HDD Config :
 a) 2 x SSD 500GB SAMSUNG 970EVO Plus
 b) 1x Seagate BarraCuda 2 Tb 3.5" Sata III
OS : Windows 10 Home 20H2 64bit
Program version : Movie Edit Pro Premium , 21.0.1.87 UPD3
All imported file into projects are standard MP4 H264 AVC 1920x1080 , 25fps, audio MPEG AAC. 44100Hz/32bit
System is lagging when moving any file on timeline, lagging on transitions sometimes, when choose Object Effects, and choose Tempo-Pitch / resample system is locked for few second before implement chosen speed, graphic presentation of clip on timeline is refreshing a long time,
Even when Preview window is set to Reduce Resolution - there is no change.

@Pawel-Kowalski

Have you checked the movie project settings? The default project sample rate is set to 48kHz and needs to be 44.1kHz if using such files. 32 bit audio (if that is really what you meant to write) is also stretching it somewhat as video editing packages tend to top out when handed audio that uses more than 24 bits. 24 bits already gives 144dbm of theoretical dynamic range and already has more volume available to it than a human can comfortably handle. The nvidia card is not going to be of any use helping out with processing the audio and your CPU is not capable of hyper-threading tasks. I'm not even sure how you are able to produce a 32 bit aac audio stream in a video file.

Ray.

With audio your remarks are ok but it has nothing to do with my performance issue. On timeline i have seperatly audio and video. When i mute video tracks keep only audio there is no problem , as soon as i enable video performance drop down complitelly.

@Pawel-Kowalski

Do you mean you have separated the audio from the video track after importing or that the aac audio tracks are being imported separately?

Ray.

@Pawel-Kowalski

Hi

What are the Program Settings, Device options tab settings - a screenshot would help?

Mine are set to those indicated below and I have no issues as you described.

What effects have been applied to the video clips on the timeline?

If you are not gaming on this PC, I would suggest you change the Nvidia drivers to the Studio version - they are specifically designed for video editing among other things.

The processor you have is 'unusual' in that it has no Hyperthreading and no integrated GPU (iGPU) - these do have a significant effect increasing the performance of playback and export, additionally the iGPU can be used in tandem with the Nvidia for effects etc that are not capable of being accelerated on the Nvidia.

As @CubeAce has commented the audio in your source video is 'non standard' at 44.1 kHz/32bit - the standard for h.264 is 48kHz/20 bit.

John EB
Forum Moderator

@CubeAce - Audio and Video are splited from oryginal clip during import. There is no additional audio aac imported.

@johnebaker

My Device Options are the same as yours. Strange is that You have one option (True to color conversion) which does not exist on my program.. Please see screen.

There is basic simple "fade out" transition.

I have Studio NVIDIA Driver.

With Audio setting i will check but again : With MES 2021 everything was OK. On the same PC, the same configuration..Thats why its strange

@Pawel-Kowalski

My Device Options are the same as yours. Strange is that You have one option (True to color conversion) which does not exist on my program.. Please see screen.

That is because John is showing you the VPX version of the same set of settings in that program which is a bit more advanced and has more options than MEP 2022.

We are both trying to tell you your CPU is possibly the cause of the problems not being able to hyper-thread and not having an HD 630 graphics chip to share the load. I would also strongly advise against using 32 bit audio files. There is no quality advantage to using such files within the program and just loads more data in advance into the system ram which given the CPU may be causing the slowdown.

Try running Task Manager to see if any CPU cores are maxing out or other peripherals such as drives are running close to or above 98% of capacity. Also keep a close eye on CPU temperature. In theory the CPU usage should be minimal at around 5 to 9%.

Yes. You are trying to blame my CPU and PC and I'm telling you that till last week with MEP2021 all the same setting and exactly the same Project with the same file imported was working smoothly. Thats why i think i have to go back to MEP 2021. My procesor, GPU are "boring" with usage of few % only.

@Pawel-Kowalski

Try in Windows settings: System / Graphics Settings / 'choose a desktop app' and search for the MAGIX Video deluxe Plus exe. file and add it.Select 'Let Windows decide' in the drop down box.

See if anything improves. Selecting the 'High performance' option normally results in worse performance but maybe also worth a try. Certainly your nvidia card should be doing a lot more work but it may be bottle-necked.

I am running a motherboard with the same socket type as yourself and a lower end nvidia card but a higher specified Intel 9 series CPU. Certainly the dynamics of the Infusion engine 3 three has changed over the Infusion engine 2. I still strongly suspect the 32 bit audio files as being the major problem though.

Do be aware that Windows updates can also sometimes cause issues with programs so may not entirely be a MEP problem.

If you feel you need to go back to MEP 2021 you can only do that by getting in contact with Magix or it may still be available to download from your Magix user account.

Ray.

@Pawel-Kowalski

 You are trying to blame my CPU and PC and I'm telling you that till last week with MEP2021 all the same setting and exactly the same Project with the same file imported was working smoothly. 

No-one is trying to blame anything!

You have updated to MEP 2022, which includes the new Infusion 3 Engine (MEP 2021 used the Infusion 2). 2022 is a "new" version of the programme, with "new" requirements of the host PC. Yes, it is extremely annoying when one finds that, what was (relatively) "easy" and "smooth" in the old version is not so in the new! But that is one of the potential, perhaps unfortunate, side-effects of technological developments.

Jeff
Forum Moderator

I understand. I have to live with that. But as my PC is Ok with minimum requirepments it should be Ok. Its time Maybe to switch to some other solution. I will see. But still i will try to find out how to stay with 2022 version.

@Pawel-Kowalski

Actually having a second Integrated suitable GPU within a CPU has been a required minimum specification for some program versions now to ensure smooth playback as well as some export benefits. It is not as easily understood under the MEP specification pages but has a more detailed explanation on the VPX specification pages.

I do blame Magix for not making this easier to understand in the MEP specs.

Ray.

Much angst with 2022, it may encode faster but appears to be actually worse performance, editing-wise. And the published "requirements" haven't changed all that much from 2021.

People are being caught out, and Magix should offer a wind-back path to 2021. It is currently not available after you install the next version, based on my experience with 2021; 2020 has disappeared from my programs list in my account. In fact, no versions I have bought under the subscription/auto-upgrade model are.

@AAProds : I can only agree with You.

@AAProds @Pawel-Kowalski

I am sorry if I come off as saying it is a fault of anyone not understanding how the specs pages make it seem that the product will run.

I'm not. I'm saying that a more accurate publication of guidelines is in order as they have for the Vegas product pages which is also using the infusion engine.

Basically the two sets of programs need to meet the same requirements but Vegas users get more specific information about Movie Studio 18 than we get for MEP 2022 if they know how to look for it.

Here is a detailed explanation of what is going on with the Infusion engine and why certain components matter taken from the Vegas site. These are details not just for Infusion engine 2 so it was applicable even then.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

. . . . Vegas product pages which is also using the infusion engine . . . .

Have I missed something in the Vegas specs?

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John.

Not sure what you have missed. The original sticky I put up should have led to a whole bunch of Vegas info pages of which one of them I have posted above. Unfortunately the page I link to in itself doesn't have all the info but has a button to get to the page that does load the page in question if you scroll down. That additional page though never works as a link. I have no idea why but most of the additional pages are about how to edit. There are 85 topics in total to track down. A lot of them are very good and a few have some relevance to MEP and VPX although not really written for them.

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray

I went through nearly all those pages and could not find anything for Vegas Pro about it using the Infusion engine. The only mention of was for Movie Studio 18 which is no longer a Vegas product.

John EB

Hi John.

I wasn't sure what you meant until I re-read my reply. I will amend the appropriate sentence as I wasn't meaning all Vegas products but as you rightly point out only Movie Studio 18. My point was that the page refers to having a balanced system where the CPU plays just as important a roll as any separate GPU and that is true for use in all video editing software, that it's important to have a balance of components or bottlenecks occur.

Ray.

@Pawel-Kowalski

Hi
System is lagging when moving any file on timeline, lagging on transitions sometimes, when choose Object Effects, and choose Tempo-Pitch / resample system is locked for few second before implement chosen speed, graphic presentation of clip on timeline is refreshing a long time,
Even when Preview window is set to Reduce Resolution - there is no change.

There is definitely something wrong there with your MEP or Windows installation. Have you tried a manual Restart of Windows and more importantly have you tried "Resetting your program to defaults" in MEP?

There could be some extra load being applied by the Audio 32bit files as I know Magix has traditionally given Audio some priority over picture smoothness during preview but if MEP2021 ran fine with the same files then I do not think you should be seeing significant issues in 2022.

@CubeAce @johnebaker

Some useful info there on setting up a system with Vegas.

Had to laugh at the MS18 demo video about the Infusion Engine performance "...Even with complicated timeline" where they show such a timeline playing back a collage on multiple tracks....but with only one video track soloed! Pretty cynical I reckon.

Peter

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

I can find pretty much the same advice on other NLE video editing sites including Adobe and DaVinci Resolve.

The main difference I can see with Magix based programs over the competition is the way Magix have evolved over a period of time to utilise the interaction and integration between the CPU and multiple GPUs. The current iterations of VPX 13 and MEP 2022 being the most dynamic but equally most demanding of individual components showing up any weaknesses in the component chain.

I see the irony of some of the online demos and having been an audio engineer serving mainly the advertising community producing adverts for broadcast around the world. I have seen the differences between the competency of a product compared to the advertising departments briefs and language used to represent a favourable if not desirable product to the point where you sometimes wonder if you were to buy the product if the people telling you about it had ever used it themselves.

The advertising itself never lies but the information is often put in such a way it can easily be read as being far better than it is. That is why any disclaimers are more important and relevant than the supplied information.

Typical disclaimer for cars are things like 'Represented fuel economy based on a typical driving style in an urban area.' It seems good until you realise the whole sentence makes any claims on the fuel economy pretty useless.

The one I like best on the Magix sites is, 'All Magix programs are developed with user friendliness in mind so that all basic features run smoothly and can be fully controlled, even on low performance computers'. The get out clause there is the term 'basic features'.

Now define that for me.

Could it include the need to produce a proxy file for even playing back a single video clip?

Couple that with 'To get the most from these features, your system should at least meet the recommended requirements' which implicates all of the mentioned components and they have effectively created themselves a 'Get out of jail free' card.

Ray.

@CubeAce : Is there a way to change Audio settings from 32 to 24 in exisitng project or do i need to create project from scratch ? by this i could test if it has any impact on my performance.