Pro X4 not working with version 2017

jeroen wrote on 12/27/2019, 11:46 AM

Why is pro x4 not functioning with .vip files which are made with samplitude 2017? This is a big disappointment. Yeah of course you can open the files in pro x4. But all the vst effect settings are not synchronized. Looks like x4 does not recognise the track .vst fx which are standard in samplitude 2017. With other words equalizer effect, reverb, delay and so on...has to be adjusted all over again with x4. This is monstrously and backwards in time... we live in 2019 for cryin out loud. Even a stupid excel file will open in future upgrades of the mother program. Magix should have noted this dysfunctionality in their webshop. Why call it an upgrade to x4 in samplitude 2017? As in fact you get a completely new program which is not compatible with a 2 year old version. Which has for 90% the same tools (only with a complete new software engine). So why did I bought X4? Why is it advertised as an upgrade while it has basically the same functionality as a 2 years older DAW? I can't help it, but I feel I have just been ripped off.

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browj2 wrote on 12/27/2019, 11:26 PM

@jeroen

As I indicated in the other post, before going on a rant, ask for help first.

I don't have Pro X4, only Pro X3 Suite or Samplitude Music Studio 2017 so I can't test this exactly. I have not heard of anyone on the Samplitude Pro forum complain about not being able to use projects from older 32 bit versions with Pro X3 or Pro X4 without finding the obvious solution below.

I just opened an old project created with Music Studio 2, a precursor to Samplitude Music Studio 2013, in Pro X3 Suite. This old program was a 32bit program and I had used some 32 bit VST's and VSTi's. Pro X3 gave me this warning, which I heeded, and accepted:

Everything showed up correctly - VST's and VSTi's, but I already had 32 bit plugins in the Pro X3 VST paths.

Is Samplitude Music Studio 2017 (SMS2017) a 32 or 64 bit program? (There is no such program called Samplitude 2017.)

You likely used 32 bit VST's and VSTi's in SMS2017 without creating a path to them in Pro X4, which is located at:

C:\Program Files (x86)\VSTPlugins

whereas the 64 bit plugins are at:

C:\Program Files\VSTPlugins

I presume that you downloaded and installed all of the additional content under Help, Download Instruments and sounds?

I also presume that you have updated to the latest patch of Pro X4.

Try it and report back, without a rant.

If that doesn't work and you have a VIP file from SMS2017 that has no external recordings or third party plugins that does not open correctly in Pro X4 with the effects that you mentioned, make it available on DropBox or another file sharing site and I can try it out in Samplitude Pro X3 and maybe someone else can try it in Pro X4. If it has external files, zip them up with the VIP file.

BTW, the upgrade for Samplitude Music Studio 2017 is now Samplitude Music Studio 2020. Samplitude Pro X4 is a category above this.

John CB

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jeroen wrote on 12/29/2019, 5:02 AM

Before answering, let me thank you for your effort to reply. People tend to get upset when they found out they have bought an expensive upgrade which doesn't apply to expectations as advertised at all. Not only my expectations but expectations as advertised. It is nothing personal or what soever.

SMS2017 is both a 32 and 64 bit program. So I use the 64bit version on my win10 system. Of course I have referred to the different VST / plugin folders in prox4. So in my opinion the problem doesn't depend on that. I also downloaded and installed all additional software.

I call it an upgrade, because MAGIX named it that way via their built-in advertising software in sms2017. For 200 or 150 euros you could buy an upgrade to proX4. I got to see this advertisement every time I started sms2017. So which I recently had done in my case. "Upgrade" is also shown on my invoice.

Some vst (-i) have remained the same and therefore simply work. But almost all FX that have track parameters settings don't work! I think that is because proX4 has a completely different software image build when you specify look at track effects. For example, the (track) graphic equalizer in sms2017 is a 10-band graphic equaliser while in prox4 it’s an EQ116 equalizer. Which therefore does not take over the set parameters in sms2017. And so on, there are more effects whose parameters are not automatically set.

Samplitude proX4 is undoubtedly a good program, but if you already own sms2017, I don't think it has that much added value. I was looking for a number of alternative vst-i instruments / effects, so I should have bought the individual modules instead of a whole new program, which it actual is.

Below I have a photo with an example of a track from sms2017.
The 10-band graphic equalizer is clearly set, using the built-in software version of sms2017.




Below is an example of when the same song is opened in prox4.


The buttons with (Grap EQ / Reverb / Delay-Reverb) all do not work in prox4.
I added the EQ116 myself because this is the built-in equalizer in prox4, a completely different software image.

I do not want to pay more attention to this because it has already cost enough valuable time and is deprived of what it is the ultimately goal, making music.

My conclusion is that the program (at least the upgrade) from sms2017 to Prox4 does not meet expectations. In any case, not mine. Certainly not if you are already a SMS2017 user. For a few extra vst- (i) (most of which are a demo version) the money is wasted in my opinion.

So I'm going to try to get my money back and invoke the Right to cancel the Upgrade to proX4.

browj2 wrote on 12/29/2019, 6:45 PM

@jeroen

Hi,

I see what you mean. I found that I have SMS2014 on my laptop and I tried it.

At that time, there was a series of effects under Rack FX. The look is different from what you have in 2017.

In your first image, 2017, try adding something to the Parametric EQ, then open it in Pro X4. The result should show up in EQ116.

Does it?

I'll take a look tonight or tomorrow to find out what happened to the effects that were part of the Rack FX. I seem to recall that there was a way to get them.

Out of curiosity, why did you not get the Suite? I thought that the cost was the same as non=-Suite if you were being offered an upgrade.

John CB

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