proDAD Mercalli V5 SAL

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Pawel-Rybinski wrote on 2/1/2022, 12:38 PM

I try 😕

Pawel-Rybinski wrote on 2/1/2022, 1:35 PM

@Pawel-Rybinski @AAProds @johnebaker

I tried to do use Mercali V5 in VPX 11 and couldn't even get into the starting gate. I could not get the video interlacing under control.

I was seeing this before I even started.

MEP 2022 which is the smaller brother of VPX 13 however fared much better with interlacing.

I got the same results as you have been seeing trying to use the plugin.

There seems to be a work around but you probably won't like it. Change all video processing, Import, Processing, and Export to CPU. It took my machine four and a half minutes compared to under thirty seconds trying to use a GPU.

This was my result.

Ray.

 

 

What a great program !!! Buddy, you are right. Works fine on the CPU itself. Oh, I'm terribly disgusted. So I'm still waiting and working on X12. I don't know not to fix the errors for 9 months? Customers are beta testers. Thanks for the help.

CubeAce wrote on 2/1/2022, 2:04 PM

@Pawel-Rybinski

Hi.

What I can't understand is if you can use VPX 12 Why can't I get it to work on VPX 11?

I tried every combination I could think of.

I've also beta tested a few cars in my time as well and paid for the privilege 🤬

I might have thought about switching NLEs but all the others have their own different problems. 😅😏.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

Pawel-Rybinski wrote on 2/1/2022, 2:27 PM

😁 true

johnebaker wrote on 2/1/2022, 3:35 PM

@Pawel-Rybinski, @CubeAce, @AAProds

Hi everyone

I cannot replicate the 'jello' issue using CPU, UHD 630 or RTX 2060 - with VPX 13 - I do not get any tearing, de-interlacing artefacts and also less zooming then Ray is experiencing.

These are the setting for Mercalli Pro v5 I was using:

. . . .  Change all video processing, Import, Processing, and Export to CPU. It took my machine four and a half minutes compared to under thirty seconds trying to use a GPU . . . .

Ray - assuming you were exporting to 50 fps there is something odd going on with the CPU - mine took 37secs.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

CubeAce wrote on 2/1/2022, 4:17 PM

@johnebaker

Hi John.

I set the project settings to the files' resolution and frame rate but set the export settings way higher (but same frame rate and resolution) in an effort to retain detail. I suspect if I exported to settings slightly above what was really needed then the export would have been quicker. Still not as quick as using a GPU though. I also added a small amount of sharpening.

In VPX 11 I could not get rid of the very obvious (exaggerated) combing (see image in my reply above) so didn't even try to stabilize the footage. Again sticking to the files data info for the project setup.

Ray.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

AAProds wrote on 2/1/2022, 7:55 PM

I did say a few posts ago..

You could try changing the settings for the graphics cards and CPU on the Settings>Device Options tab (Import/Processing/Export).

All my forum comments are based on or refer to my System 1.

My struggle is over! I built my (now) system 2 in 2011 when DV was king and MPEG 2 was just coming onto the scene and I needed a more powerful system to cope. Since then we've advanced to MP4 and to bigger and bigger resolutions. I was really suffering, not so much in editing (with proxies) but in encoding, which just took ages. A video, with Neat Video noise reduction applied, would encode at 12% of film speed. My new system 1 does the same job at 160% of film speed. Marvellous. I'm keeping my old system as a capture station for analogue video tapes and DV.

System 1

Windows 11 v23H2 severely modified by Openshell and ExplorerPatcher

Power supply: 850W Cooler Master (should have got modular)

CPU: Intel i7 13700K running at 3400mhz, cooled by a Kraken 2x140mm All In One liquid cooler.

RAM: 64gb (2x32gb sticks) G.Skill "Ripjaws" DDR4 3200Mhz

GPU 1: iGPU UHD 770

GPU 2: NVidia RTX 3060Ti Windforce 8gb

C drive: NVME 500gb

Bluray Burner: Pioneer BDR-212D

Various other SSD and HDDs.

Monitor: 27"/68cm Samsung, 2560 x 1440, 43 pixels/cm.

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2025

Magix Video Easy version 7.0.1.145

System 2

(Still in use for TV and videotape capture)

Windows 10 v22H2

CPU: i5-750 at 2670mhz with 12gb RAM

Onboard IEEE1394 (Firewire) port

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 4770 (512mb) which is ignored by MEP

Hard drives: C Drive 256gb SSD, various other HDDs.

Monitor: Dell 22"/56cm, 1680x1050, 35 pixels/cm

MEP 2021 version 20.0.1.80

Movie Studio 2023 version 22.0.3.172

VPX 12

CubeAce wrote on 2/2/2022, 2:10 AM

@AAProds @johnebaker @Pawel-Rybinski

 

Hi Al.

Indeed you did.

I have done further testing and can report back that the GPUs can be used but not for Importing.

The following also works works with no problems on my system.

Only Import has to change, so I can export at normal expected export rates of performance.

I only tested MP4 as an export option.

[Edit] Using MEP 2022 latest patch and new Intel driver.

Ray.

Last changed by CubeAce on 2/2/2022, 6:09 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

johnebaker wrote on 2/2/2022, 5:15 AM

@Pawel-Rybinski, @CubeAce, @AAProds

Hi

What is the version number of VPX you are using?

All my previous tests were with VPX 13 v 19.0.1.129.

I have just updated to patch 19.0.1.141 and am now getting some jello in MP4 exports when processing is set to use my RTX 2060, looks like there may be a bug introduced with the fix for 'Jerky playback/export on NVidia GPUs'.

Using the settings below

and setting the Processing option to CPU or Intel iGPU - I get no jello/tearing at all.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

Pawel-Rybinski wrote on 2/2/2022, 12:04 PM

patch 19.0.1.141 and patch 19.0.1.138

Scenestealer wrote on 2/6/2022, 4:33 PM

@Pawel-Rybinski @AAProds @johnebaker @CubeAce

Hi Pawe

I have just loaded some files into MEP2022 with the latest equivalent patch and can see that the bug from one of the the earlier patches/versions is back again, where new clips placed on the timeline have the "Interpolate Intermediate frames" automatically applied. This could be causing at least some of the strange effects you and responders are seeing, especially the double image effect shown in one of Ray's images of attempts to stabilise the footage.

By the way - your Topic heading says Mercalli V5 SAL which stands for the Stand Alone version of the Prodad program, but I believe we are all referring to the Plug in version of Mercalli V5.

If you are seeing a Jello effect in places then this may be due to actual camera movement with a CMOS chip camera, so some improvement may be achieved by applying the Prodad CMOS correction Plug in before the stabilistaion attempt.

Peter

 

System Specs: Intel 6th Gen i7 6700K 4Ghz O.C.4.6GHz, Asus Z170 Pro Gaming MoBo, 16GB DDR4 2133Mhz RAM, Samsung 850 EVO 512GB SSD system disc WD Black 4TB HDD Video Storage, Nvidia GTX1060 OC 6GB, Win10 Pro 2004, MEP2016, 2022 (V21.0.1.92) Premium and prior, VPX7, VPX12 (V18.0.1.85). Microsoft Surface Pro3 i5 4300U 1.9GHz Max 2.6Ghz, HDGraphics 4400, 4GB Ram 128GB SSD + 64GB Strontium Micro SD card, Win 10Pro 2004, MEP2015 Premium.

CubeAce wrote on 2/6/2022, 6:40 PM

@Scenestealer

Hi Peter.

I'm beginning to think that that importing new clips with Interpolate Intermediate frames on import is deliberate so that Magix can make their claim on the website of

"INFUSION Engine 3 Movie Edit Pro now has a brand-new engine – INFUSION Engine 3! The new engine offers support for modern graphics cards from industry leaders Intel, NVIDIA and AMD. The result is ultra-smooth project previews in real time while editing and fast export for your finished videos."

a reality.

I don't think it is a bug.

Ray.



 

 

Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

Pawel-Rybinski wrote on 2/7/2022, 2:43 PM

I also have the Mercalli V5 SAL in the full version, but it stabilizes properly. The X12 version also includes interpolated materials. I had a Sony AX2000 camera and from the X8 version all versions stabilized the material correctly. Unfortunately, X13 seems to be unlucky for MAGIX. Here you can see that everything has fallen apart, so I'm still waiting for corrections. I don't want to predict, but there are too many errors for programmers to be able to do. I would send the program again. There is no point in patching up something that, while trying to fix it, breaks something else. See how many patches are there so far. Is it normal? On MAGIX, I chose the stability of the program. However, it is now highly questionable. The support of other plugs, even with proDAD, is enough. No response from Magix to their requests for bug fixes. I got a proposal from 2 plug-in manufacturers to transfer the license to another program for free. The Mercalli 5 is very useful for handheld shots. Unfortunately, in this form it is useless for me. What are your adventures with Mercalli 5?

johnebaker wrote on 2/7/2022, 3:22 PM

@Pawel-Rybinski

Hi

. . . . What are your adventures with Mercalli 5? . . . .

For me, until this latest bug in VPX, Mercalli has always performed very well, with both interlaced and progressive video, and with better precision in the zoom level applied than either the old Magix stabilisation or the Vegas stabilisation - the latter is over aggressive, applying a much larger zoom factor then the other two.

John EB

VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.