Puzzling discrepancy in file size

terrypin wrote on 10/23/2014, 1:38 PM

I had a problem rendering an MP4 from a rather complex 5 minute MEP 2014 video. After some fiddling around I decided as a next step to split the project roughly into two and see if I could successfully export them separately. But I accidentally ran both with Export selected range only switched off. So I got what should have been two identical full length videos. (Both were now OK.)

Yet their file sizes are significantly different, at 281 MB and 298 MB respectively. The variable bitrates reported by MediaInfo differed by roughly the same 6% variation, at 10.2 and 10.8 Mbps respectively, which would account for the file size difference. (I can't edit the subject!)

But I'm puzzled why the bit rates would differ on two successive exports of exactly the same project?

It's also odd that GSpot reports slightly differently to MediaInfo on bitrates:

File #1: MediaInfo 10.2 Mbps, GSpot 10.061 Mbps (which rounds to 10.1)

File #2: MediaInfo 10.8 Mbps, GSpot 10.669 Mbps (which rounds to 10.7)

Incidentally, MediaInfo gets the seegar for correct rounded file size of 312,388,566 byte file #2 at 298 MB, versus 297 MB from GSpot. Presumably a coding error in GSpot's rounding.

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK. PC: i7 6700K, 4.0 GHz, 32GB with Win 10 pro. Used many earlier versions of MEPP, currently mainly MEPP 2016 & 2017 (Using scores of macro scripts to add functionality, tailored to these versions.)

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johnebaker wrote on 10/23/2014, 4:23 PM

Hi Terry

I cannot reproduce this - 6 min project exported 3x, same settings, file size is consistent down to the last byte.

John

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

terrypin wrote on 10/24/2014, 10:23 AM

Hi John,

Thanks for the test. It was such an odd result that I doubt if I'll be able to reproduce it myself!

Any thoughts on the different reporting of MediaInfo versus Gspot?

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK. PC: i7 6700K, 4.0 GHz, 32GB with Win 10 pro. Used many earlier versions of MEPP, currently mainly MEPP 2016 & 2017 (Using scores of macro scripts to add functionality, tailored to these versions.)

johnebaker wrote on 10/24/2014, 3:28 PM

Hi Terry

There is a slight rounding up difference between GSpot and MediaInfo

GSpot appears to round up anything after the decimal point to the nearest value above whereas MediInfo obeys the mathematical rounding up ie < .5 round down >.5 round up.

I have tested both on sevaral mp4 files and apart from the rounding up issue they are reporting near identical results eg

  GSpot MediaInfo
Video bitrate 9340 Kbps 9336 Kbps
Audio bitrate 160 Kbps 160 Kbps
File size 648MB 647MB
File length 9m 31s 9m 31s

 

John

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VPX 16, Movie Studio 2025, and earlier versions 2015 and 2016, Music Maker Premium 2024.

PC - running Windows 11 23H2 Professional on Intel i7-8700K 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, RTX 2060 6GB 192-bit GDDR6, 1 x 1Tb Sabrent NVME SSD (OS and programs), 2 x 4TB (Data) internal HDD + 1TB internal SSD (Work disc), + 6 ext backup HDDs.

Laptop - Lenovo Legion 5i Phantom - running Windows 11 24H2 on Intel Core i7-10750H, 16GB DDR4-SDRAM, 512GB SSD, 43.9 cm screen Full HD 1920 x 1080, Intel UHD 630 iGPU and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 (6GB GDDR6)

Sony FDR-AX53e Video camera, DJI Osmo Action 3 and Sony HDR-AS30V Sports cams.

terrypin wrote on 10/24/2014, 4:44 PM

Hi John,

 

Thanks, appreciate your testing. Odd that my examples showed considerably larger differences.

Terry, UK.

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Terry, East Grinstead, UK. PC: i7 6700K, 4.0 GHz, 32GB with Win 10 pro. Used many earlier versions of MEPP, currently mainly MEPP 2016 & 2017 (Using scores of macro scripts to add functionality, tailored to these versions.)