Samplitude X2 Silver (Humble Bundle Caution)

dark_spartan wrote on 3/9/2018, 12:27 PM

As many people know, I have not been very happy about my Music Maker Premium purchase, but have been pleasantly surprised by the functionality in Samplitude Music Studio.

So when I saw Humble Bundle had a deal for Samplitude Pro X2, you can imagine I was pretty excited and paid the top tier price for the software.

As a general caution to others this is NOT a new version of Samplitude Music Studio. It an older (no longer available even) version of Samplitude Pro (separate product line) with a confusing product name. So, if you buy into this bundle hoping to upgrade from Samplitude Music Studio to Samplitude Pro X2 like I did, thinking it would be a newer (but less feature rich) software package - you will be in for a bad surprise.

Just hoping others avoid my mistake. :)

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emmrecs wrote on 3/10/2018, 3:36 AM

an older version of Samplitude with a misleading product name

Could you explain what you mean by this? To say the name is "misleading" is to suggest some kind of malfeasance on the part of Magix or Humble Bundle, I think.

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browj2 wrote on 3/10/2018, 4:31 AM

@dark_spartan

It is, and states very clearly "Samplitude Pro X2 Silver" edition. This is not portrayed as the full version, is definitely not misleading, costs a few dollars/Euros/Pounds, and clicking on the icon in Humble Bundle provides the details shown below. Why would anyone have to indicate in an offering for what is basically a free offering that this version is not the latest fully-blown version? "There is also a link to the Magix.com website where users can see what it is all about.

"Samplitude Pro X2 Silver provides musicians and producers an ideal environment for creative audio and music production. It combines professional tools and highly efficient workflows with high quality standards in the areas of recording, arrangement and band mixing, as well as post-production.

HIGHLIGHTS:

  • Up to 8 tracks, 2 submix- and AUX busses
  • Up to 44.1 kHz sample rate
  • Up to 4 instruments and 4 plug-ins per object/track/master
  • Flexible plug-in routing
  • Numerous Samplitude effects included: Advanced & Multiband Dynamics, Bit Machine, Delay, EQ116 (standard mode), essential FX, and more
  • Comparisonics and spectral display of objects
  • Visualization with spectroscope, spectrogram, tuner and more
  • VST2 interface support
  • 32-bit and 64-bit support

Note: Samplitude Pro X2 Silver usually requires audio controller hardware to run. As an exclusive offer for Humble Bundle customers, this version of Samplitude Pro X2 Silver does not require a hardware device. Additionally, the video included here showcases the full Samplitude Pro X2 Suite and features additional programs not included in the bundle."

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robertNC wrote on 3/10/2018, 9:43 AM

Well it does come alongside soundforge pro, and it's a very capable 'free' version.. a painless introduction of Samplitude Pro

dark_spartan wrote on 3/10/2018, 2:15 PM

I apologize as I thought I had articulated this in the post. The problem was not that it is a Silver version - I knew it was less feature rich. What mislead me into the purchase is the naming of Samplitude X2.

I believed the hierarchy to be Samplitude -> Samplitude X2. I already own Samplitude, so as you can imagine, I was very excited to pay for the software during the deal and try out a feature limited but newer version of Samplitude. I couldn't find anything online that suggested otherwise before purchasing (I did look on the MAGIX website first) so I made the assumption that version 2 came after version 1.

In actual fact, after purchase, I discovered the version Hierarchy is Samplitude X2 -> Samplitude X3 -> Samplitude

Turns out, Samplitude X2 (version 13.x) is over two years older than Samplitude (which is version 23.x). I don't think it is surprising that I felt misled by the naming. Regardless, if I came to that conclusion, someone else will, and my hope is to prevent this from happening to at least one other person :)

Larry98 wrote on 3/10/2018, 2:29 PM

The misleading part is that Samplitude X2 is older than Samplitude. Logically, one would assume the opposite to be true.

Nothing is misleading. Why did you remove everything from the product name so that only Samplitude will stay?
Samplitude was originally the company behind it and not the product itself.
Samplitude Music Studio vs Samplitude Pro X

It's like when you would compare Video deluxe (german version of Movie edit Pro) and Video Pro X with each other and remove 50% of the name.
You would complain that MAGIX Video 15 is older to MAGIX Video x7.​​​​​​, but when you write the correct name and do a little research then you would see that MAGIX Video deluxe 15 is from 2009 and MAGIX Video Pro x7 is from 2015.

And when you go on the MAGIX website you can see .
So take a guess which version is newer and which is older. Also, a simple research could simply bring about that 2 is older than 3.
 


Hierarchy is Samplitude X2 -> Samplitude X3 ->Samplitude - making it much older than the Samplitude I already own. Apparently the responses here suggest that I am wrong and that is an intuitive naming sequence, however to me logically version 2 should come after version 1. And as a result, I bought a product I don't have a use for.

Again two different products:

The Hierarchy is Samplitude Pro X -> Samplitude Pro X2 -> Samplitude Pro X3

The Hierarchy from the recent versions is Samplitude Music Studio MX -> Samplitude Music Studio 2013 -> Samplitude Music Studio 2014 -> Samplitude Music Studio 2015 -> Samplitude Music Studio 2015 -> Samplitude Music Studio 2016 -> Samplitude Music Studio (v.23)->

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dark_spartan wrote on 3/10/2018, 2:43 PM

@dark_spartan

It is, and states very clearly "Samplitude Pro X2 Silver" edition. This is not portrayed as the full version, is definitely not misleading

Hi John - I'm not sure where you got that from. I didn't raise an issue with the Silver edition. :)

dark_spartan wrote on 3/10/2018, 2:47 PM
The Hierarchy from the recent versions is Samplitude Music Studio MX -> Samplitude Music Studio 2013 -> Samplitude Music Studio 2014 -> Samplitude Music Studio 2015 -> Samplitude Music Studio 2015 -> Samplitude Music Studio 2016 -> Samplitude Music Studio (v.23)->

I just want to repeat what I said above and bold the relevant part.

I don't think it is surprising that I felt misled by the naming. Regardless, if I came to that conclusion, someone else will, and my hope is to prevent this from happening to at least one other person :)

If I had found the Hierarchy information you shared, I would have made a different decision. Hopefully that helps educate others with the Samplitude product line and thanks for sharing. It didn't occur to me it was valuable enough to warrant more than a single product line.

Regarding the upper part of the content, yes, I would find the naming convention for the product lines very easy to confuse for new MAGIX users.

Larry98 wrote on 3/10/2018, 2:58 PM
It didn't occur to me it was valuable enough to warrant more than a single product line.

MAGIX has for a lot of products a normal product line and a pro line.

MAGIX Video deluxe (Movie edit in other countries), MAGIX Video Pro X
Xara Photo & Graphic Designer, Xara Designer Pro X
Samplitude Music Studio, Samplitude Pro X
SOUND FORGE Audio Studio, SOUND FORGE Pro
ACID Music Studio, ACID Pro
Audio Cleaning Lab, Audio & Music Lab Premium
VEGAS Movie Studio, VEGAS Pro

So be careful the next time.

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browj2 wrote on 3/12/2018, 8:12 AM

@dark_spartan

You indicated in the heading of this post "Samplitude X2 Silver..." Then you stated "So when I saw Humble Bundle had a deal for Samplitude X2, you can imagine I was pretty excited."

Then you said, "What mislead me into the purchase is the naming of Samplitude X2," followed by "I discovered the version Hierarchy is Samplitude X2 -> Samplitude X3 -> Samplitude."

This is totally confusing. The Humble Bundle wording is exactly "Samplitude Pro X2 Silver," not "Samplitude X2" as stated by you. Your hierarchy is wrong. You have mixed in Samplitude Music Studio, which is definitely not Samplitude Pro X2. Please use the correct and full name of the product when you are referring to it to avoid confusion.

You then state, "Turns out, Samplitude X2 (version 13.x) is over two years older than Samplitude (which is version 23.x)." Which Samplitude? If you mean Samplitude Pro X3, then you are wrong because the current version is 14.2.1.298, not 23.x. You are likely referring to Samplitude Music Studio. If so, then say so - with the full name. This is why your posts are confusing; you have mixed and matched different products without indicating the full names.

Here is the hierarchy from the low level to the top of the Samplitude line:

  1. Music Studio - (I had this) discontinued and replaced by:
  2. Music Studio 2 - (I had this) also discontinued
  3. Samplitude Music Studio - these came out by date, I had 2013, 2014 (20.0.2.28), and 2015, only 1 of which is still installed. Now, no date is indicated for this product on the Magix site, but the proper name is "Samplitude Music Studio," not "Samplitude."
  4. Samplitude Pro X3 (14.2.1.298)
  5. Samplitude Pro X3 Suite - same as the non-suite but with more add-ons (I have this one)
  6. Sequoia 14.

The lower levels are stripped down versions of Samplitude Pro X(whatever) or Sequoia.

Samplitude Pro X2 Silver is not available for sale on the Magix.com site. The Silver versions, that have been updated over the years, were bundled with certain equipment by the vendors of that equipment. This, of course, was in the hope that the user of the equipment would purchase the full version of Samplitude Pro (whichever was the latest version). As I indicated in my first post, Samplitude Pro X2 Silver is a stripped down version of Samplitude Pro X2 (not Samplitude Music Studio), and what I indicated was the information copied from the Humble Bundle site.

So, given the multitude of versions available, it is important to always indicate which one that you are talking about, to avoid any confusion.

John CB

 

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jason-malenko wrote on 3/12/2018, 10:31 AM

You guys are saying that a product with a $300USD suggested retail price is "stripped down"? I think I agree with the original poster. Samplitude Pro X2 Silver is only available in the highest price bracket for this bundle and is also why I spent as much as I did on it. Definitely not expecting a stripped down version and trying to get this registered right now.

jason-malenko wrote on 3/12/2018, 10:39 AM

FYI - It is 100% portrayed as a full version. I'm not expecting X3 Pro but this is the full version they are advertising.

browj2 wrote on 3/12/2018, 10:53 AM

@jason-malenko

Did you bother to read the entire thread? Did you read my first post above in which I copied and pasted the information from the Humble Bundle site (click on the icon in Humble Bundle to see the description)? Did you look at the Magix.com site to see anything about this? Do you see "Samplitude Pro X2 Silver" on this site for sale? No!

Did you look at the details for "Samplitude Pro X2 Silver" and compare that with "Samplitude Pro X3?" "Samplitude Pro X2" is no longer for sale on the Magix.com site.

So, if you insist, yes, what is offered is the full version of "Samplitude Pro X2 Silver," not "Samplitude Pro X2," not "Samplitude Pro X3," not "Samplitude Music Studio" which dark_spartan referred to as "Samplitude."

The "Silver" version may have been sold by Magix on its website a couple of years ago, but I don't remember seeing it. Like everything out in the market, the MRSP is not the price that things are sold at.

Lastly, you are getting a bunch of software for a 30$ donation. Basically, it's free, so don't expect to see the latest and greatest stuff for free. Logic 101.

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browj2 wrote on 3/12/2018, 11:32 AM

Once again, the product on Humble Bundle is "Samplitude Pro X2 Silver." Note the word "Silver!" I already indicated what is included in my first post above. In Humble Bundle, click on the icon to see the details - the same ones that I indicated above. There should be no need for me to repeat this, but the first thing on the list is that you are only allowed only 8 tracks.

You are not paying 300$; you are paying 30$ for a bunch of software, not just Samplitude Pro X2 Silver.

Samplitude Pro X2 and X3 sold for about the same retail price, so you are wrong to assume that Pro X2 sold for less than Pro X3 because it is older. Once Pro X3 hit the market, yes, Pro X2 would have dropped in price. This is normal. Also, very few people pay the Manufacturer's Recommended Sales Price - for anything. Retailers can and do sell for less. Magix has been offering recently the entire "Samplitude Pro X3 Suite" for 150$ - to new and existing users. That was the biggest deal out there.

 

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jason-malenko wrote on 3/12/2018, 11:50 AM

John - I don't think you understand how the Humble Bundle system works. The suggested retail value of the entire bundle is "$1,117". Of that amount Samplitude X2 Pro Silver is valued at $300 (USD) and that is why it's in the highest price tier.

Acid Pro 7, Sound Forge Pro 11 and all of the other software in this collection are properly labelled, have correct srp's and contribute appropriately to the bundle. Samplitude is the only item in this entire collection that deviates from that.

I am personally frustrated by this because I bought this collection specifically for Samplitude and because 8 tracks in a DAW is completely useless (most people will have more than 8 tracks just for their drum mixes unless they are using a stereo midi track) and because something that is being advertised as regularly selling for $300 should, infact, regularly sell for that amount (again all of the other applications in this list do).

dark_spartan wrote on 3/19/2018, 3:50 PM
Your hierarchy is wrong.

How do I put this politely... I'm sorry John, I know you are really trying to drive home a hard point, trying to troll or whatever. But everything you have said so far, has been covered in more detail by someone before you.

I've met a lot of people like you in my life. I honestly don't know what value you are trying to add by being condescending to people in this thread but I for one am clearly missing the real intention of your posts.

I don't think it is surprising that I felt misled by the naming. Regardless, if I came to that conclusion, someone else will, and my hope is to prevent this from happening to at least one other person :)

I started to reshare the above, because I started to think you misunderstood the original post and intention of this thread (to caution others to think carefully about a product before buying), but I'm thinking you have a different intention here. I encourage you to take a reread of this post. Do you feel your replies are answering questions? Because I certainly wasn't asking any. Do you think your replies are providing some kind of guidance? Because you've replied more in this thread than anyone else but the posts are just generally condescending attitude. I'm hoping you don't somehow think these kind of replies are helpful.

You are just repeating other peoples information long after the point of purchase - information which doesn't really address the intent of the post. It's just ... kind of unnecessary, unhelpful angry noise. But, by all means, you be you, I'm just hoping you have an important point that was somehow missed by us saying "hey, be cautious about your purchase when buying Samplitude".

robertNC wrote on 3/19/2018, 11:43 PM

Magix's marketing department (which is probably a part time duty of some dev in the office) has always been very clumsy. I don't think they intentionally inflated its value, but I guess it's technically OK on their end, because they can value it any way that they want.

" I bought this collection specifically for Samplitude and because 8 tracks in a DAW is completely useless " Come on now. Engineers had to generally work with 4 tracks up to only recently. I used pro X silver for a while before buying a copy of pro X off of eBay. It's excellent in spite of its limitations.. probably the second best 'free' version DAW after Studio One Prime

browj2 wrote on 3/20/2018, 12:02 AM

@dark_spartan

My point is that clarity is important. If I say that something is not clear or is incorrect, it is important, IMHO, to not leave it at that but to show what and why. I suggest that you reread your first post. You have changed it somewhat, "misleading" is now "confusing," but there is still no mention of the offering being "Samplitude Pro X2 Silver." and that, in your excitement, you thought that the offer was for "Samplitude Pro X2" not "Silver." You still use the term "Samplitude Pro X2," which is incorrect. The point of purchase is the Humble Bundle offering, and simply clicking on the image brings up the description, which I copied and pasted into my first post to inform and instruct.

It is easy to sound condescending when one is trying to point out errors, omissions, imprecisions, etc. Reread what I wrote, out loud, but in a different tone of voice, one that is trying to inform and instruct. Compare that with your second post. You didn't ask questions, but what you indicated was incorrect. I wanted to make sure that you understood what was wrong and why. Given the plethora of Magix software and variants, it is confusing enough for users, so it is important to be clear and precise. That is my message. I hope that you don't find that condescending.

I posted 4 times, twice for you, twice for Jason.

Troll? Look at my profile, go through a bunch of my comments on various threads, look at some of my tutorials, then come back and tell me if I'm a troll.

@jason-malenko

I know how the Humble Bundle system works. I bought the last Magix offering, after reading all of the descriptions and comparing that with what was currently being offered in the market. It was a very good deal, even if I gave much of it away. If my recollection is correct, the full price (MSRP) of Samplitude Pro X2 was always 399$, same as for Samplitude Pro X3. I got Samplitude Pro X2 as an upgrade to Samplitude Music Studio 2015 at half price - 199$. Caveat emptor.

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emmrecs wrote on 3/20/2018, 4:31 AM

To all contributors to this thread, especially @dark_spartan and @jason-malenko

I am becoming concerned about the level of personal accusations to which this thread is descending. The OP clearly felt aggrieved by at least part of the Humble Bundle offer, with particular reference to the Samplitude version. Other posters, especially @browj2 and @Larry98 have explained very clearly, precisely and accurately the naming and numbering system that Magix has used for the Samplitude product range.

Please do not continue to post accusations (of trolling, or similar) or half-truths to this thread, or elsewhere, otherwise I will have no option but to lock the thread to any additional posts and consider whether the poster concerned should be blocked from making any further contributions to the forum.

Magix' rules for forum users can be found here.

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rrichard63 wrote on 3/23/2018, 12:34 PM

John - I don't think you understand how the Humble Bundle system works. The suggested retail value of the entire bundle is "$1,117". Of that amount Samplitude X2 Pro Silver is valued at $300 (USD) and that is why it's in the highest price tier. [,,,]

This is the essence of the problem. A teaser version of a DAW that is limited to 8 tracks simply does not have a suggested retail price of $299. End of story.

Having said that, I don't know whether this mistake (or was a deliberately misleading statement??) was made by Magix or by Humble Bundle. It was equally misleading in either case.

Full disclosure: I too was misled and paid $30 for this. True, I also got some other stuff but I already own Acid Pro 7 and Sound Forge Pro 11 -- purchased when they were still Sony products.

 

robertNC wrote on 3/23/2018, 2:43 PM

I was tempted to go for the bundle, but ended up passing. I would like SoundForge for Windows, however. I have it for Mac, and rarely use it

Geronimooooo wrote on 3/25/2018, 2:08 PM

Don't underestimate the Silver X2 version. It has functions that are not present in the Studio version. Like Audio quantize(pretty powerful). At least it's there in the previous version name Silver X so i assume it's in the X2 version too. BTW, anyone know what's the difference between the X and the X2 version? i did a search and i guess the new features listed below are what's new in Silver X2 too... Still I'm curious.

https://www.emusician.com/gear/magix-releases-samplitude-pro-x2-samplitude-pro-x2-suite

emmrecs wrote on 3/25/2018, 2:14 PM

@Geronimooooo

Please read John CB's first post to this thread which contains the full answer to what exactly Samplitude X2 Silver includes.

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Geronimooooo wrote on 3/25/2018, 2:25 PM

@Geronimooooo

Please read John CB's first post to this thread which contains the full answer to what exactly Samplitude X2 Silver includes.

Jeff

John CB? :-/

edited: OK i got it.