Sound is corrupted on CrossFade

Tony-Matthews wrote on 8/27/2020, 11:46 AM

After upgrading to v20.0.1.65... The sound is corrupted during a cross fade. This has never happened before, and the problem occurs on two different machines. Both modern I7 machines with 16Gb Ram and loads of disk space.

If this cannot be fixed with say a day then can someone provide a link so I can downgrade to the previous version.

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CubeAce wrote on 8/27/2020, 1:38 PM

@Tony-Matthews

Hi Tony and welcome.

No, we can't help you downgrade as there are only users on this forum. Normally there are no Magix staff here at all.

 

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Tony-Matthews wrote on 8/29/2020, 12:17 AM

No staff. Not even development staff? Who wrote this "upgrade", This is worrying... Especially when a problem like this happens.

Can someone fix the problem then?

I manage to (eventually) produce the video by using an old PC that had the 2016 version. Not a solution I want to use too often. I really would like to use the modern version I have.

CubeAce wrote on 8/29/2020, 2:48 AM

@Tony-Matthews

Hi Tony.

Not that I'm aware of. This is a user to user forum.

To help diagnose a problem we would probably need a couple of your problem files to try for ourselves to try to see if the problem exists on our systems. Some file types, depending on how they are recorded, can be troublesome within MEP but if they do not give us problems then it could be a setting you have within MEP that is not working within your computers specs so the more information you give us, the easier it it for us to help.

So in this instance which i7 processor, which motherboard and sound chip, and maybe the files in use can be read by a program that would give us the recorded information within the file such as the files bit depth, frame rate, audio sample rate, whether the file uses variable frame rates or not. For that you would need a free program called MediaInfo to read and copy that data to post here.

Also your export settings can make an impact so screen grabs of the export settings in use may help. Then we have something to work with because at present most of the people that do answer questions here are not reporting this particular problem, so it is something at your end that needs investigating.

Ray.

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

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M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

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johnebaker wrote on 8/29/2020, 4:55 AM

@Tony-Matthews

Hi

. . . . The sound is corrupted during a cross fade . . . .

Is this when previewing or in the exported video file?

If the exported video what export settings was used and did you change any of the advanced settings?

John EB

 

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Tony-Matthews wrote on 8/29/2020, 9:46 AM

@Tony-Matthews

Hi

. . . . The sound is corrupted during a cross fade . . . .

Is this when previewing or in the exported video file?

If the exported video what export settings was used and did you change any of the advanced settings?

John EB

 

1. There is an initial issue, that when crossfading.. the crossfade section gains a few spurious clicks and a low. level... These clicks disappear when the clips are separated.

2. The preview plays fine.

3. The error occurs when the file is exported. I usually export as 1920x1080p Mp4 29fps. However, I tried 720, and AVI... the problem, is there, no matter what resolution of format I try. Takes about 10 minutes a

4. I have used MAGIX for years, it is the devil I know, I use crossfade a lot and and this problem has never occurred before. I created a video about a week or so before the "New in 2021 Update", The pc I use has been a constant or years, unless you want to blame a Windows update The video camera I use has been constant or even more years.

5. I run MAGIX on two computers. One is an HP i7-8000 series, the other is (as a hot standby, and travel mate) a Surface Pro 4, i7 something or other. The only thing that have in common is "i7" and an upto date Windows.

6. The one constant is the new improved wonder version of MAGIX on both machines

7 Fortunately I have a spare older computer and I installed Video Premium 2016 on that. After having to faff around re-doing all the captioning, because for some reason the files are in a different location and there appears to be (under the pressure I was in) no way to tell MAGIX what folder to look in... Once suitably setup up again. I exported in my favorite 1920x1080p Mp4 29fps, and it worked first time.

8 I plan to reinstall the latest version 2019/20, whatever it is... today or tomorrow. I am 99.9% that will "cure" or de-bug it. I will ignore its pleas to update it until the update to the update comes out. Unless of cause, it tries to be super helpful and downloads the update before I can stop it.... I do have other things to do and v2016 works just fine.

browj2 wrote on 8/29/2020, 10:40 AM

@Tony-Matthews

I have the same version, 20.0.1.65. I put it 3 video clips, AV on separate tracks, trimmed the clips, dragged right clip over the left clip for 2 right clips to make crossfade transitions of about 2 seconds each. No problems with sound during preview. Exported to MP4 using the default MP4 FullHD 1920x1080p. No problems with sound at the transitions.

For your transitions, are you using the same clips or project on both computers?

Did you try with other types of video files - video from other sources? Different projects?

One thing that you can try is to do a mixdown of the audio, either all or just a range that covers your transitions. Play it back. Sound problem still there? If not, export. Sound problem still there?

For mixdown, use Shift+D.

John CB

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CubeAce wrote on 9/7/2020, 8:40 AM

@Tony-Matthews @browj2 @johnebaker

Hi Tony.

I have a repeatable sound glitch in one project I have created since having MEP 2021. It only happens on the first playback of this particular section where there is a J cut mix to the audio and only on the first pass when I have just opened MEP. It does it every time and only on the first pass of playback but is 100% repeatable. Apart from the cross-fade there are no other effects associated with either of the two clips.

I have downloaded a short clip (Because of possible copyright problems) of the join in question so you can see if it is the same type of distortion.

 

Ray.

 

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Windows 10 Enterprise. Version 22H2 OS build 19045.5737

Direct X 12.1 latest hardware updates for Western Digital hard drives.

Asus ROG STRIX Z390-F Gaming motherboard Rev 1.xx with Supreme FX inboard audio using the S1220A code. Driver No 6.0.8960.1 Bios version 1401

Intel i9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 to 5.1GHz CPU with Intel UHD 630 Graphics .Driver version Graphics Driver 31.0.101.2135 for 7th-10th Gen Intel® with 64GB of 3200MHz Corsair DDR4 ram.

1000 watt EVGA modular power supply.

1 x 250GB Evo 970 NVMe: drive for C: drive backup 1 x 1TB Sabrent NVMe drive for Operating System / Programs only. 1X WD BLACK 1TB internal SATA 7,200rpm hard drives.1 for internal projects, 1 for Library clips/sounds/music/stills./backup of working projects. 1x500GB SSD current project only drive, 2x WD RED 2TB drives for latest footage storage. Total 31TB of 10 external WD drives for backup.

ASUS NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 12GB. nVidia Studio driver version 572.60 - 3584xCUDA cores Direct X 12.1. Memory interface 192bit Memory bandwidth 360.05GB/s 12GB of dedicated GDDR6 video memory, shared system memory 16307MB PCi Express x8 Gen3. Two Samsung 27" LED SA350 monitors with 5000000:1 contrast ratios at 60Hz.

Running MMS 2024 Suite v 23.0.1.182 (UDP3) and VPX 14 - v20.0.3.180 (UDP3)

M Audio Axiom AIR Mini MIDI keyboard Ver 5.10.0.3507

VXP 14, MMS 2024 Suite, Vegas Studio 16, Vegas Pro 18, Vegas Pro 21,Cubase 4. CS6, NX Studio, Mixcraft 9 Recording Studio. Mixcraft Pro 10 Studio. CS6 and DXO Photolab 8, OBS Studio.

Audio System 5 x matched bi-wired 150 watt Tannoy Reveal speakers plus one Tannoy 15" 250 watt sub with 5.1 class A amplifier. Tuned to room with Tannoy audio application.

Ram Acoustic Studio speakers amplified by NAD amplifier.

Rogers LS7 speakers run from Cambridge Audio P50 amplifier

Schrodinger's Backup. "The condition of any backup is unknown until a restore is attempted."

browj2 wrote on 9/7/2020, 8:48 AM

@Tony-Matthews

Hi,

I had a problem with sound at a crossfade in VPX11 recently.

Try this. Make a range that covers the left and right objects of the crossfade. Solo the audio track (I presume that you have AV on separate tracks as it's much easier to work with audio). Do a mixdown of the audio using the shortcut Shift+D. This will replace the audio with a red wave file for the range, containing only the audio of the soloed track. Unsolo the track. Play it back. Is the glitch still there? If not, export. Glitch gone?

I use transitions often and this was the only time that I recall having a problem. Strange.

John CB

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