Hi Ray, many thanks for your quick and detailed response.

I'll give you the context of my second question, perhaps there is a better workflow than the one I am trying to develop. I understand (and really appreciate!) the non-destructive nature of the editor.

However, what I would like is that for a particular object the range information (i.e. the positions of the markers of the currently selected desired in and out points) was stored with the object in the project folder (even if it is not on the timeline - yet).

The reason for that is that whilst sifting through a large bunch of raw footage, I'm trying to sort out the useful bits and place those in the project folder. Among the many videos there are some which contain footage of two (sub-)scenes. Therefore, I intended creating two clips out of the single video and storing these in the project folder as separate objects (i.e. referring back to the same source video, but with different range data attached to it). I'm not putting them on any track on the timeline as yet, because I first want to complete the sifting process before deciding on the right place on the timeline (maybe even in separate movies within the same project - as I ultimately plan on first creating separate movies for some more complex scenes before nesting them into a "master" movie).

I hope my way of thinking makes some sense. But perhaps there is a misconception in my uderstanding of the nature of the project folder.

Anyway - thank you for your time!

@CR77

Hi.

The way I get around that is to add tracks below the main project tracks and drag the clips as I sort them onto the timeline. Add more tracks as needed and then just mute the track/s. Then they are there at the correct length and can be dragged to the project track/s when and where you need them. To see the clips just solo the track or expand the track view. Make sure you use the correct mouse mode when moving them. If you don't use all of them just delete the track you made for them.

Ray.

@CR77

Hi,

1. As Ray pointed out, there is no way to get the waveform. It first has to be created and this only happens upon import, assuming that you have this in the program settings. An .H0 temporary file gets created and this contains the info for the waveform. It would be nice to have a way to create the waveform and view it before importing onto the timeline. I suggest that you put this to Magix.

2. What you are doing is correct. Previewing a file in the source monitor, creating a range and dragging it to the Project Temp Folder is supposed to work. However, it does not work properly or consistently in VPX13. I, too, am getting a different range duration and location sometimes, and sometimes not. It's hard to pin this down without more testing. This looks to me like a bug.

It has worked properly in the past. I have dragged in several ranges from the same clip to the PTF and then later on put them on the timeline and they went onto the timeline as a trimmed clip using the range information.

EDIT: You can do the same thing by dragging the file onto the timeline, and you get the waveform. Then, create ranges and drag them to the PTF. Delete the main clip from the timeline when no longer needed. It will remain in the PTF. RE-EDIT: I was mistaken - you cannot drag from the Preview Monitor to the PTF. You have to right-click and select "Insert objects in project folder." So, you would have to split the clip and then insert that part into the PTF.

@CubeAce

You have VPX11. Please try it carefully.

The PTF contains the info for the clip and the range info if that is what was imported. Look at the headings of the PTF:

Dragging a range from the source monitor to the PTF should show up with the correct range and duration in the PTF. Then, one can send this to the timeline and it should be correctly displayed.

Look at the two lines in blue in the image above. The first one shows the range as being the Media Start and End, the second shows the same clip but with the Media Start at 0 and the end being the end of the clip at 38:18, and the Range shows the beginning at 10:14 and the end at 18:00 which is correct.

There are others where the selected range start was not at 0, but it jumped to 0 after importing to the PTF.

For your other point, each and every range that is imported to the PTF, once sent to the timeline, is just a trimmed clip that can be extended in either direction assuming that the start was not at 0 and the end not at the end of the clip.

@browj2 @CR77

Hi John.

Will this do?

Ray.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

Yes, that is it. Yours works. It shows the Media start (51:20) and end (1:10:38) with a length of 19:18 correctly, and then the Range with start at 0 end at 19:18.

In VPX, selecting a range in the Source Monitor and dragging it to the PTF immediately changes the range to be from the start of the clip instead of from the start of the range. In the image below, the range was set from 05:00 to 09:00 for a length of 3:29 (NTSC).

As soon as the mouse drops the range onto the PTF, the range changes from 0:00 to 09:00 as shown in the image and the PTF shows both the Media start/Beginning of Range as 00:00 and the end of both at 09:00.

I also checked VPX12 and it, too, has problems but slightly different. The range imports incorrectly in the timeline, just like VPX13 above, but the range shown in the source monitor remains correctly displayed:

In VPX13, adding another range further along in the source monitor does the same thing - it changes the start to the beginning of the clip.

John CB

Hi both, thanks a lot for your help. Should one of us progress and report this as a bug?