@johnebaker

Try the following, after saving the take, clear the program cache, Edit > Empty undo and cache memory.

Unfortunately, that did not work for me using MMS2024. Are you suggesting this works for MMS2025 or VDL2026?

@me_again

BUT if the video clip has no audio or is ungrouped (audio and video separate) then the Take is corrupt, only 1 second long, all black and crashes MS2025 when trying to add to timeline.

I confirm this bug in MMS2024

@johnebaker

Importing a video only clip, ie no audio track before import, still works fine for me.

I tried this (by changing the program settings) but still resulted in a corrupt Take as @me-again has reported. (MMS2024)

@Can-Dive

Hi

Thanks for testing.

. . . . Are you suggesting this works for MMS2025 or VDL2026 . . . .

No, I suspected there may be a caching issue with MMS 2024..

John EB

@johnebaker

Hi John EB,

Further testing. I copied my takes done with MMS2025 to another folder and tried opening them. They both show up as 1s on the timeline. In the source monitor, they show as the correct duration. When dragging to the timeline the Take shows the image the full length, but when dropped, 1s.

I have another older Take that has no audio. It imports correctly in both MMS and VPX. So it seem that the problem is if there is any audio.

To annoy me, I went back into MMS and lo and behold, one of the takes with audio that would only come in as 1s, now came with the correct duration. I tried importing it again - 1s. Go figure.

One other thing, I cannot preview a Take from the Media Pool and then drag it to the timeline, whether trimmed or not, in either MMS or VPX. No, wait, I managed to do it once in a new project, but couldn't do it again.

@CubeAce

Hi Ray,

So basically Takes are more useful when sections of video are considered for reuse for multiple projects and where footage may be brought in from more than one drive.

In my list, I mentioned importing from long digitized videos that have multiple themes that require splitting up. Just create a take out of each theme and open the project for that theme later and import the take. You are mostly going out, filming, then creating videos out of what you filmed. I think that you'll find that more and more users are those trying to save and make something out of footage from various sources created over the last 50+ years. Other than my own 8mm, S8 sound, VHS, DV sources, I have received much of the same plus thousands of photos to be scanned, from various relatives, both on my side and my wife's and asked to save the furniture before all is lost. This is much the same as what @Pete-Lowland is doing. Going through a 2 hour digitized video with multiple themes requires some methods that you would probably not need in the normal course of editing. Once the material has been digitized and gone through, one has several years work ahead of them to create the many various projects.

@Pete-Lowland and others,

Keep a register that includes the source file, the themes with descriptions and any Movies and Takes that you make out of them. A database would be more appropriate.

John CB

Greetings all,

OK now I'm really confused. If this has been mentioned so far in this topic then I apologise but can someone please try this?

• Create a Take (must be a video clip that has audio attached as I previously mentioned)
• Before you do anything else, LEFT click on the take and drag to viewer DO NOT USE THE SMALL EDIT BUTTONS
• Edit the length of the take as required
• Left click on the take again and drag to the timeline. The length edit is respected hopefully.

When you save that project and re-open it, the takes in the folder viewer are the original length BUT the takes on the timeline are the edited lengths. I assume this is the way it should be?

AndyW

ps - classing myself as a non-take user should the take, whether length edited or not, import to the timeline with audio? I just seem to get the video.

Hi everyone

To add to the confusion, I got another 'oddity' while repeating testing, after creating the take and importing:

Note the file extension ??? Restarting MMS and adding the same take resulted in no PRV file extension

I am putting together a bug report for Magix Support with a sample project demonstrating the issue and crash logs.

John EB

@Pete-Lowland @johnebaker @Bol @AAProds @browj2 @CubeAce

Hi everyone,

I think I worked out why I could not replicate @Pete-Lowland's workflow on triming Takes. I am using MMS2024 but would be interested if the same issue (bug) is in VDL2026. Here are the steps to test:

1. Move an object from the Media pool to the timeline, trim it and save it as a Take. (assume the Take is 20 sec long)
2. Delete the object on the timeline
3. Go to the Takes folder and click on the Trim icon [ ] and trim the Take in the Program monitor to say 10 seconds.
4. Move the Take to the timeline by either click and drag from the Media Pool or use the Arrow icon
5. Result: The Take on the timeline reverts to 20 seconds
6. Create a new Project (do not save the current project)
7. Again, select the Take with the Trim icon and trim the Take in the Program Monitor to 10 seconds
8. Click and drag or use the Arrow icon to move the Take to the timeline.
9. Result: The Take on the timeline is now 10 seconds long.

Also note that if after making Takes, the program is closed and reopened, one is able to subsequently trim Takes and the new trim length will be maintained when the trimmed Take is moved to the timeline.

It appears the system retains in memory the original Take length and it cannot be further trimmed unless a new project is created or the program is restarted. Would someone please confirm my finding? Thanks. 🤓

Hi Can-Dive,

Confirmed and tested:

Conclusion: In the first project (in which the take was created) its not possible to trim the take and move the new size to the timeline. In a brand new project however it will move the trimmed take as a .PRV in the timeline. Any earlier made take (from another project) can be trimmed and moved into the timeline.

Kind regards

Peter

@Pete-Lowland

Thanks for testing and confirming

@me_again

I confirm your findings. Using your workflow of dragging the take to the Program Monitor allows the ability to trim the Take before moving it to the timeline. You also found another bug which the Take loses its audio.

@johnebaker

Do you know the significance of the PRV file extension? It seems to get created when you create a new project, trim the Take in the Program Monitor and then move the trimmed Take to the timeline. The PRV doesn't occur if you create a new project and just move the Take to the timeline. But by doing that, you lose the ability to subsequently trim the Take.

If you are submitting a bug report it looks like we have a couple of issues regarding Takes;

1. Takes cannot be trimmed without creating a new Project, restarting the program or using @me_again's workflow
2. Takes lose their audio when created
3. Takes become corrupt when attached audio is excluded (Source Objects without audio are not affected)
4. When Takes are trimmed and moved to the timeline, they take on a PRV extension. (I'm not sure if the PRV extension is a bug or just the way the file is handled on the timeline.)
5. The Automatic Application icon does not work for Takes as it does for Objects. In the Media Pool, if you click and drag an Object or use the Arrow icon to move it to the timeline, the entire Object is moved. If you trim an Object in the Program Monitor, you need to click and drag it from the Program Monitor or use the Automatic Application icon (or its options) to transfer the Object to the timeline to maintain its trim. To be consistent, Takes should be treated the same as Objects for all intents and purposes.

Sidenote: another unique feature of Takes, which may or may not have been previously mentioned, is that they retain the effects applied to source Object.

@johnebaker

No matter how hard I try, or order I do things in, or how the take is created I cannot get a PRV extension. I'm rather disappointed. Could it be yet another feature of my "corrupt" system discussed in another thresd 🙂?

@Can-Dive

The PRV doesn't occur if you create a new project and just move the Take to the timeline. But by doing that, you lose the ability to subsequently trim the Take.

Again, on my system no matter when I add a take, be it the full thing or an edit, I can add the same take again and again ad infinitum, each time editing the length using the workflow I (almost) accidentally found.

AndyW

ps I've created more takes in the past couple of days than I have in 20+ years of using Magix 😱

@me_again

True, your workflow will not create the PRV extension. To do this, follow these steps once you created a Take and the Takes folder is your Media Pool:

1. Create a new project
2. Use the trim icon [ ] to transfer the Take to the Program Monitor
3. Trim the Take in the Program Monitor
4. Go back to the Meda Pool and use the Arrow icon to transfer the Take to the timeline.
5. The Take on the timeline should have the PRV extension